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Re: Use of Google Analytics declared illegal by French data protection authority

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I think it's a valid concern for everyone, yes.

Then you should get out more and talk to some real people.

You are aware that there was a number of completely innocent people who were disappeared int US black sites, because of some name mismatch, something they said somewhere or because their neighbor didn't like them. Now you might be white and have an English name so chances of that happening to you might be slim.

However if you do not believe that this is an issue that we have to work against i suggest you get out and develop some principles. You seem to only have issues with these things if done by communist governments.

Re: Use of Google Analytics declared illegal by French data protection authority

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I think we (in the EU) will soon realise the bizarre consequences of these regulations. European startups will not be able to use standard SaaS or PaaS tools (like AWS, Azure, Mailchimp, PayPal etc) if they are based in the US (like most of them are). No cloud services, no Office 365 or Google Workspace. It will take forever to build up a similar ecosystem in Europe and I think most successful European entrepreneurs…

AWS has always had a very clear region system which let's you decide the location where you store your data and run your services. Most popular region here in the EU being eu-west-1 (Ireland), which usually gets new features and updates first. Once you choose a region for your application, it takes some effort to store data outside of it.

Re: Use of Google Analytics declared illegal by French data protection authority

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> the privacy-first analytics tool Don't be coy. Call it what it is - an analytics service . And as such it falls largerly in the same bucket as GA, because if someone's using Simple Analytics, my surfing data - against my wishes - is being shared with some random third party. Whether it's less, more or comparably evil as GA is secondary.

Yes, and when you go shopping and pay with cash in a store with no surveillance, your shopping habits are being shared against your wishes with a random third party (the external company bookkeeper). It's disingenuous to have problems with websites collecting entirely anonymous browsing data -- that goes beyond any arguments for privacy and just steers into "yelling at clouds" territory.

The other replies are missing what analytics is really comparable to. With a standard purchase, we have an exchange of the minimum necessary information at the point of engaging in a mutual financial transaction. The bookkeeper can examine that transaction after. They can look for patterns in what receipts have. That's fine.

Analytics isn't that. Analytics is tracking a customer walking into the store and looking for which store they came from. Analytics is noting down how long a customer spent holding a blue item, if they looked at a big red item, and noting it down because it might matter. Analytics is seeing how the customer went back and forth between one aisle and another. Whether looking at one item made them less inclined to look at the next. Analytics is hoarding all of that information and keeping it even if the customer doesn't make a purchase.

Of course stores have been looking at how and why and when customers shop for years, but through consensual studies. They learnt to put the fruit at the entrance and the sweets at the exit. They learnt to put their high value items at eye level. And they didn't do it through spying and analysing the behaviours of everyone walking through their doors. They didn't keep years of CCTV with the sole excuse that they might want to see how long you lingered between deciding on diaper brands.

The web has no excuse.

Re: Use of Google Analytics declared illegal by French data protection authority

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Definitely USA. My government doesn't drone strike people based on communication patterns or disappear them to black sites without ever being put in front of a judge.

Are you afraid USA would drone strike or disappear you if they get to your private data? Do you think that is a valid concern for most people?

It's by far much more likely than my own government doing anything close to it yes.

Re: Use of Google Analytics declared illegal by French data protection authority

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> we fragment and destroy the entire Internet I would call fragmenting these things rebuilding the internet. Not sure how consolidating everyone on a few Mailchimp type services is in anyone's interest.

Here here. Good riddance.

*Hear, hear

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hear,_hear

Re: Use of Google Analytics declared illegal by French data protection authority

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> I don't think it's accurate to solely blame the EU when this is in response to legislation that gives/gave the US access to all types of personal data on European citizens. I would argue that the Americans getting better privacy protections and working with other countries instead of forcing American companies to behave illegally abroad would be a much better solution than the Europeans watering down their privacy…

The recent German judgment was also about subsidiaries. If 'Meta Europe ' falls under the cloud act it isn't GDPR compliant.

It’s a simple shell game. Meta US can very well become a subsidiary of Meta Bahamas, and still get licensing fees for its brands and IP from a nominally independent Meta EU.

Re: Use of Google Analytics declared illegal by French data protection authority

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I think we (in the EU) will soon realise the bizarre consequences of these regulations. European startups will not be able to use standard SaaS or PaaS tools (like AWS, Azure, Mailchimp, PayPal etc) if they are based in the US (like most of them are). No cloud services, no Office 365 or Google Workspace. It will take forever to build up a similar ecosystem in Europe and I think most successful European entrepreneurs…

It's sad but predictable that the top response amounts to "Forcing companies to act ethically and legally would just push them into the USA".

That's not exactly a great argument here, given that this French court has objectively made the right legal decision here in terms of EU privacy law, and the rights of their citizens.

Re: Use of Google Analytics declared illegal by French data protection authority

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Why limit it to the EU? Shouldn't every country have their own AWS, Azure and Google Cloud? I think we underestimate just how difficult it is just to replicate existing services, let alone keep up with the innovation. It's like the Argentinian effort to stimulate its own computer manufacturing by banning Apple products.

It'd help if the United States wasn't allowed to aggressively brain drain most of the rest of the world.

The rest of the world could also brain drain the US if it was easier to get into. The US -> EU/UK immigrants that I personally know have had a pretty hard time getting there permanently.

Re: Use of Google Analytics declared illegal by French data protection authority

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It probably does violate French data protection. There were similar lawsuits in Germany over the use of Google Fonts. Making a users browser interact with a US-based or US-owned service is currently very thin ice.

All they need now is some sort of ISP level filter to make sure nobody loses their privacy to US servers. They could call it a "Great Firewall" maybe.

Protecting the privacy of citizens is not akin to society-wide censorship, a la China. This is a disingenuous argument.

Re: Use of Google Analytics declared illegal by French data protection authority

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Do they somehow count the users browsers making a request to a US server as the website transferring data to the US? It is pretty clear that the users browser did that and not the website or Google.

And technically if you hit someone in the head with a hammer than it's the hammer that's hitting the head, and not you. It's a meaningless distinction made in bad faith.
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