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Re: Google outage – resolved

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post #564

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I feel like HN's server aren't very happy with everybody doing this though. Stop bullying the servers :(

This wouldn't be a problem if HN migrated to a blockchain written in go for performance

Wait. I thought Rust is the new kid on the block

Re: Google outage – resolved

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post #517

edit: added details edit: redacted my phone number edit: big mistake to add phone number edit: I think illic is right, probably not me edit: removed details

If it was you, why the hell on earth would you bother exposing your personal phone number on the internet and asking google to call you on this post? Like, seriously... Wouldn't you rather call them directly on the hotline...? That's a phone number from Bulgaria, and it looks like it should be part of the Vivacom GSM network, so I guess it's his personal mobile phone number or a scam.

yes personal phone number.

Had to do what it takes...

To save the company I work for and all of our customers data. Which all is in Google Cloud!

Re: Google outage – resolved

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post #360

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Interesting cascade effect of sites going down! I wonder where people will go next to check if HN is down? Also wondering if this is perhaps the fastest upvoted HN post ever? 8 mins -> ~350 votes, 15 mins -> ~750 votes. I wonder if @dang could chime in with some stats? Update: looks like it hit 1000 upvotes in ~25 mins! Update: 1500 in ~40 mins Update: 2000 in ~1 hour 20 mins (used the HN API for the timestamp)

reddit, nanog, 4chan, twitter — pick your poison

"poison" is a particularly apt description for all of the above

Re: Google outage – resolved

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So, anybody still feel like arguing that 'the cloud' is a viable back-up? Or is that a sore point right now? Just for a moment imagine: what if it never comes back again? Of course it will, - at least, it better - but what if it doesn't? And if it does, are you going to take countermeasures in case it happens again or is it just going to be 'back to normal' again?

"The Cloud" is vague, and if you don't specify what it means then the answer to your question can only be "it depends".

If the question is "anybody still feel like arguing that 'a single provider' is a viable back-up" then it's yes for most cases. A better strategy is of course to use multiple providers. The chances that it never comes back again is much lower.

Re: Google outage – resolved

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post #188

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Seems like everyone going on HN now. The site is so slow

Interesting cascade effect of sites going down! I wonder where people will go next to check if HN is down? Also wondering if this is perhaps the fastest upvoted HN post ever? 8 mins -> ~350 votes, 15 mins -> ~750 votes. I wonder if @dang could chime in with some stats? Update: looks like it hit 1000 upvotes in ~25 mins! Update: 1500 in ~40 mins Update: 2000 in ~1 hour 20 mins (used the HN API for the timestamp)

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Re: Google outage – resolved

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post #188

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Seems like everyone going on HN now. The site is so slow

HN uses Firebase, maybe that is the reason.

Any source for that? Last information I have is that it's written in Arc Lisp and uses files rather than a database for storage.

There is a public API on Firebase, but AFAIR it's just a mirror rather than the main storage.

Re: Google outage – resolved

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post #424

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What worries me the most is email. I basically don't use any other Google services other than Gmail and YouTube, but for email I really don't know of an alternative. Sure you can argue "move to Fastmail/Protonmail/Hey/whatever", but those can also go down on you just like Google is down now. And self hosting email is apparently not a thing due to complexity and having to forever fight with being marked as spam (ndr.:…

The point is that you shouldn't put all your eggs in one basket. All services go down. If you're worried about someone else handling it when it goes down then host your own [1], otherwise you can use something different for each thing you need. Don't rely on Google for everything. 1- https://github.com/awesome-selfhosted/awesome-selfhosted#ema...

Yes, I know what's the point. But how do you avoid putting all your eggs in one basket? You can't host your email on more than one "provider" (including self host), and the vast majority of important services that you link your email to (bank, digital identity, taxes and other government services) does not allow you to have more than one linked to it; which means, that one goes down, you don't have one. Sure, I can give my accountant and my lawyer a second email address, hosted on a different provider, but that poses two problems: 1. how are they gonna know when one is working and one isn't? It's not like you get a notification if your email didn't reach most of the time, it just drops; 2. if you always send all emails to both addresses, now two providers have my data instead of one (of course excluding if one is self hosted). And you also need to always keep in mind that for all things important: one is none, two is one; so you should really have 3 addresses on 3 different providers according to that, which brings us back to the problems above. (and I'm not even mentioning the confusion that it would generate if you don't manage to get the same name with every provider "Wait, was it beshrkayali@gmail.com, or was it alibeshrkay@gmail.com? Or was that fastmail?")

As I said (literally in the second sentence), I don't rely on Google for everything, as you mention. I don't actually rely on Google for anything other than gmail, and of that I am also unhappy. The point I was trying to make is that there aren't really alternatives, and I was hoping someone might come out with a suggestion about how to overcome that problem.

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