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Re: The majority of 18- to 29-year-olds in the US are now living with their parents

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Post by chasd00 »

tanilama wrote: post #526
munificent wrote: post #464

I really love the quote at the end: > I'm a dad who is happy to have his daughter and fiancé living with me. They pay the utilities and make me nice meals, and it makes it a lot less lonely here. ... I like the multi-generational thing. I know it won't last forever, but it makes life better for now. It's so easy to get into that cold statistical mindset about these large-scale trends, but it's good to remember that t…

I agree. I don't like what the title tries to suggest that living with your parents is something wrong/abnormal? Why is that? I understand for many it is not a choice, but it doesn't necessarily meaning people are suffering as a result.

in the US, living with your parents after high school implies you need their support financially when you're old enough to have a job of your own.

Usually any mention of living with your parents implies being lazy ( the whole "neckbeard living in their parent's basement" stereotype ) unless you qualify it with "but I pay rent". If you pay rent then it appears more like you can support yourself and still not relying on mom/dad to pay your way even in adulthood.

Re: The majority of 18- to 29-year-olds in the US are now living with their parents

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Post by _5yoy »

tanilama wrote: post #526
munificent wrote: post #464

I really love the quote at the end: > I'm a dad who is happy to have his daughter and fiancé living with me. They pay the utilities and make me nice meals, and it makes it a lot less lonely here. ... I like the multi-generational thing. I know it won't last forever, but it makes life better for now. It's so easy to get into that cold statistical mindset about these large-scale trends, but it's good to remember that t…

I agree. I don't like what the title tries to suggest that living with your parents is something wrong/abnormal? Why is that? I understand for many it is not a choice, but it doesn't necessarily meaning people are suffering as a result.

Well - it's abnormal in that it is not what the US's coming-of-age systems look like. Hit 18, move out, get a job. Whether that is good or bad or right or wrong is irrelevant, it's definitely abnormal from a cultural standpoint.

Re: The majority of 18- to 29-year-olds in the US are now living with their parents

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Post by uoaei »

ballenf wrote: post #401
babelfish wrote: post #393

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> Two is that we're highly skewed to a handful of elite metros, whose housing markets are not representative of the country as a whole Right, but what matters is the housing price where people are. It doesn't matter what the housing market looks like in South Dakota if I don't want to live there. While houses in South Dakota may be 1/10 the price of houses in NYC (likely cheaper, honestly), they also have 1/10 the po…

Ok so the change from a decade or two ago is that young people want to live in places they can't afford. In the past they were evidently more content to live in places they could afford. Doesn't really feel like cost of housing is what's changed.

In the past they were able to afford the places they wanted to live.

Re: The majority of 18- to 29-year-olds in the US are now living with their parents

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Post by pengaru »

srtjstjsj wrote: post #139
Aeolun wrote: post #48

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Depends. When I stay with my parents I somehow forget that I can do the dishes and washing myself. I very deliberately have to remind myself.

Isn't they because your parents refuse to grow up? A roommate wouldn't tolerate that.

Not OP, but at my parents' home it's such a classical traditional division of labor that the housewife does all the cleaning, it's her domain, her full-time job. She'd be self-conscious of not doing her part (and annoying) if someone else was doing it.

It wasn't even considered normal for me to cook anything in the kitchen while I still lived at home. It was like being in someone else's workshop and using all their tools and putting things back not quite where they like them or wasting soap/water when washing implements or being too messy or abusive to the equipment. It was impossible to not cause some sort of trouble, I literally started grilling outside daily to not touch the kitchen and still feed myself real food as a young adult.

One could argue it was the parents refusing to grow up, but it's also arguably a predictable outcome when the husband works like a blue-collar dog to pay the bills and the wife doesn't have to work a formal job. Obviously the husband is going to expect the wife to keep the house clean and do all the cooking, if she slacks off on these relatively trivial duties while he's grouchy and overworked, bad times for sure.

Re: The majority of 18- to 29-year-olds in the US are now living with their parents

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Post by pnutjam »

tengbretson wrote: post #412
bryanlarsen wrote: post #169

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https://www.movetoamend.org/amendment thanks pnutjam

> Nothing in this amendment shall be construed to abridge freedom of the press. Cool, so instead of PACs we'd just candidate-backing "news" coalitions?

How is that worse? You're claiming it's the same?

Re: The majority of 18- to 29-year-olds in the US are now living with their parents

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Post by mgolawala »

tanilama wrote: post #526
munificent wrote: post #464

I really love the quote at the end: > I'm a dad who is happy to have his daughter and fiancé living with me. They pay the utilities and make me nice meals, and it makes it a lot less lonely here. ... I like the multi-generational thing. I know it won't last forever, but it makes life better for now. It's so easy to get into that cold statistical mindset about these large-scale trends, but it's good to remember that t…

I agree. I don't like what the title tries to suggest that living with your parents is something wrong/abnormal? Why is that? I understand for many it is not a choice, but it doesn't necessarily meaning people are suffering as a result.

I don't think it is about it being wrong (though it is abnormal in the US context), it is the reason for this shift that is worrying.

Is there any reason to believe this is due to a cultural shift amongst Americans? I don't believe it is controversial that the young have been the most negatively impacted by rising education and housing costs, as well as their demographic being the most heavily impacted by the Covid-19 pandemic. (is it?)

The implication here is that more young adults are staying at home, not because they want to, but rather because they cannot afford to leave (or in some cases, as the article mentions, because it is better than being isolated at home alone). I hope you agree that this is an important distinction.

Re: The majority of 18- to 29-year-olds in the US are now living with their parents

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Post by AStrangeMorrow »

kelnos wrote: post #553
munificent wrote: post #464

I really love the quote at the end: > I'm a dad who is happy to have his daughter and fiancé living with me. They pay the utilities and make me nice meals, and it makes it a lot less lonely here. ... I like the multi-generational thing. I know it won't last forever, but it makes life better for now. It's so easy to get into that cold statistical mindset about these large-scale trends, but it's good to remember that t…

It's also useful to note that the "nuclear family" is a very Western thing, and the US takes it to an extreme. In other parts of the world it's abnormal for adults in their 20s to be living anywhere but with their parents, often even with a fiance or new spouse in the mix. The idea that having a multi-generational household means that the younger members haven't "grown up" and need to "learn to live on their own" is…

Even though I agree it is more of a western thing, I would argue it is also maybe more of a "recent" / urban trend. I am originally from rural Western Europe and a few years ago grandparents, parents and kids all in the same house was still a common sight. I would agree that people look for more independence these days but I feel like in some places it is still fairly recent.

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Post by pnutjam »

refurb wrote: post #516
pnutjam wrote: post #163

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Just gonna' leave this here: https://www.movetoamend.org/amendment

Please stop. You're posting the same link multiple times.

I didn't post the other link in the thread, it was posted as a response to my comment. I didn't realize it was there when I posted mine.

Re: The majority of 18- to 29-year-olds in the US are now living with their parents

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Post by pengaru »

irrational wrote: post #549
pengaru wrote: post #543

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You have yourself to blame if you're dissatisfied with what you've created.

They aren't autonomous robots. They are humans with agency who have chosen to take a different path that what they were taught growing up.

Of course, and you've completely failed as a parent if you've cultivated such a dysfunctional relationship with your children that instead of being able to confidently have an adult conversation with them about this you're biting your tongue and waiting for them to go away.

At 21 and 23 the ship has largely sailed, enjoy sleeping in that bed.

Re: The majority of 18- to 29-year-olds in the US are now living with their parents

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Post by egh »

Aunche wrote: post #540
egh wrote: post #380

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I'm not sure what you're arguing here. The simple fact is the amount people pay for housing is up since the 1990s. You can find this data on the BLS web site: https://www.bls.gov/cex/csxmulti.htm Here is the data adjusted for constant 2020 dollars: 1992 $9,799.06 1993 $9,543.99 1994 $9,760.55 1995 $9,924.05 1996 $9,825.29 1997 $10,106.90 1998 $10,473.38 1999 $10,712.59 2000 $10,506.40 2001 $11,055.55 2002 $11,121.33…

It looks like this is counting the average rather than median, so it's going to be skewed by the top earners. Here is per capita income during the same time period using 2019 dollars: 2019 39,156 2018 36,734 2017 36,553 2017 35,970 2016 35,375 2015 34,157 2014 32,619 2013 33,008 2013 31,691 2012 31,549 2011 31,389 2010 31,208 2009 31,690 2008 32,096 2007 33,131 2006 33,496 2005 32,855 2004 32,368 2003 32,433 2002 32,…

Good point. The data I reported is for "shelter" only, excluding utilities, furniture, etc., so I'm not sure how that looks on the income curve. You're also reporting average income, not median. Median income is much stabler, having climbed about $6000 since 1990.

My main point is, people are spending more on housing. It's not a mirage. It is highly concentrated where there are jobs, but of course people move to where the jobs are. It's facile to say they should move somewhere else, or that they are getting "more" for their housing.

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