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Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by yoz-y »

Hendrikto wrote: post #584
inDigiNeous wrote: post #554

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple manufactures bluetooth headphones also [0] .. do the math. The really popular Beats headphones for example are made by Apple indirectly. By cutting off the headphone connection, they are encouraging people to buy new products instead of using old and proven technologies. Apple has done this all the time during their history, eg. look at the whole adapter situation where you just have to buy extra hardware to co…

> encouraging people to buy new products instead of using old and proven technologies People who are not stupid are actually encouraged to switch to a competitor who is less anti-consumer.

Or maybe a lot of people don't care and actually prefer wireless headphones? What's with the ad hominem attacks?

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by yoz-y »

sytelus wrote: post #310
valine wrote: post #31

With the iPhone X Apple put serious R&D into a display that folds back on itself for the sole reason that a phone is more ascetically pleasing when the boarders are symmetrical. Even after a year and a half every phone except the iPhone has an asymmetrical chin. Will Apple still be able to make decisions like that without Ive in a leadership position? For Apple's sake I really hope so.

Personally, I think focus should be on battery life improvement, app management UX, privacy (for example, to this day I can't turn off ALL notifications) etc. I would take 20% thicker iPhone for 20% better battery life and headphone jack any day. Cosmetic changes and thinness-for-thinness sake are worthless.

You would but vast majority of Apple customers would not. There are often calls to "vote with your wallet" and that's what people do. This is why we have no jack and thin phones.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by rietta »

LoSboccacc wrote: post #535
simonh wrote: post #518

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A symmetric bezel is literally the only selling point iPhones have over phones half the price. Really.

yes? android can do: phone calls internet browsing apps heck, I can use firefox and ublock on android, so iphones look even worse feature wise from here. they look good and cost a lot and that's it. even the app quality argument holds little value today as there's not many app today that aren't just cross-compiled plus, a billion of little cuts, like not being able to download an mp3 and use it as alarm or ringtone,…

And iPhones received security updates for 5 years (60 months) vs the typical 18 months or leas on Androids because carriers suck.

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Post by tobylane »

anbop wrote: post #492

The new headquarters syndrome strikes again. Ive, sidelined, went eyeballs deep into the new headquarters, alongside a decline in physical product quality like the trashcan design miss and keyboard gremlins. Hardware and software teams kept executing but there’s clearly a need for a change in design.

I’ve seen a lot of people seeing it the other way around, that the Pencil was the last product he was involved with because he chose to focus almost entirely on the headquarters.

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Post by m12k »

I feel like the Apple we've seen since Jobs died is exactly what I would have expected if someone let the designers run the show without a strong product manager to reign them in: Gorgeous and mostly user-friendly products, but slightly too caught up in their own cleverness instead of the actual needs of real users.

I hope there's a chance to rectify that now - though I fear it won't happen until someone more visionary and less 'operations-focused' takes the helm of the company. Steve Blank did this excellent analysis and comparison between Balmer and Cook [0] - I hope there's a Satya Nadella in Apple's future too.

[0] https://steveblank.com/2016/10/24/why-tim-cook-is-steve-ball...

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Post by bluescrn »

wingerlang wrote: post #449
jws wrote: post #429

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Notch? What notch? I have an iPhone X and mine has ears which extend the display up into the top of the phone where the camera is placed to get my status bar out of the screen. Brilliant! I say.

This is literally the way I feel about it as well. I’ve seen the ears as increased space rather than the notch cutting into the display.

Somewhere between 4:3 and 16:9 (usable in portrait or landscape, obviously) seems an optimal screen shape for the vast majority of games and apps. (For a PC, 16:10 seems noticeably better than 16:9)

Going wider than 2:1 doesn’t seem to be adding useful screen space, really

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Post by webbrahmin »

I used to love my mac book pro. Sadly, it is not the same device which it used to be. The quest to make it thinner has actually made it a substandard machine. I feel Apple has lost a lot of developer love and brand capital since Jobs. I am hoping things would improve on the product front. Not all devs live in the US. For devs in developing countries, a mac book pro is a serious investment. We want a machine which is robust and long-lasting. If things continue they way they have in last few years my next machine will not be a mac book.

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Post by webbrahmin »

valine wrote: post #31

With the iPhone X Apple put serious R&D into a display that folds back on itself for the sole reason that a phone is more ascetically pleasing when the boarders are symmetrical. Even after a year and a half every phone except the iPhone has an asymmetrical chin. Will Apple still be able to make decisions like that without Ive in a leadership position? For Apple's sake I really hope so.

How many can keep affording expensive phones line iPhone X and planned obsolescence?

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by anentropic »

jimmaswell wrote: post #418
jedberg wrote: post #42

Given his penchant for thinness over function, I hope this means we can have a thicker pro laptop again, with all the ports back and a more robust keyboard.

I don't get why you'd bother when you can get a better machine for half the cost. Install Linux on it if you don't like Windows. Unless you're hired to work on some Mac-exclusive software and it's a work laptop I just don't get why anyone would buy a Mac laptop when they're so objectively overpriced and underfeatured.

> Install Linux on it if you don't like Windows.

this is why :)

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