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Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by foepys »

foobarbazetc wrote: post #383
Touche wrote: post #92

If you're wondering why they bought GitHub, it's here: > Second, we will accelerate enterprise developers’ use of GitHub, with our direct sales and partner channels and access to Microsoft’s global cloud infrastructure and services. This is it. At one time Microsoft used to dominate enterprise software development in certain areas (most of the east coast in the U.S.) to such a degree that it was almost impossible to…

Or they lock down the Enterprise version to Azure...

I don't think they will. They will most likely want to replace Team Foundation Server with GitHub Enterprise. There might not be a special AWS image anymore but a lot of developer teams rely on the on-premises variant of TFS.

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by slg »

joering2 wrote: post #595
zachruss92 wrote: post #27

I am a GitLab user and have been for about 2 years now. With that being said, I think this acquisition makes a ton of sense strategically. Microsoft has really been trying to change their identity from being a stuffy close-source corporation to an open company that developers can rely on. And they have done pretty well at this. They open sourced .net, run MS SQL on Linux, and have released the WSL (which would have b…

To your very good post you forgot to add that majority of large corps with lrge projects scramble at the moment to move and delete off of their source codebase from GitHub so that Microsoft programmers dont get access to their repos and secret souce.

I just don't understand this take. How many of those companies run Windows on any of their devices? Either you trust Microsoft or you don't. If you don't trust Microsoft, you have bigger problems than them owning GitHub.

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by kbenson »

dj-wonk wrote: post #557
azurelogic wrote: post #399

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're right on the first point. They aren't comparable. GitLab is a community driven, open core product that is far more powerful than GitHub. GitLab has an extremely robust CI system built in. In addition, you can even use them to create private Docker registries, which I find useful for creating my own private CI images. Plus, they have a better security model (5 tiers), wildcards for branch protection, and tag pr…

Why do people say "X and Y aren't comparable" and then proceed to compare them? :) I'm not (only) trying to be pedantic here -- I'm just pointing out the loaded language. In both business models and product recommendations, people use the word "comparable" to justify their conclusions, rather than to explain their comparisons themselves. It is all about framing a decision for a particular use case at a particular pri…

Part of it is due to an alternate definition of comparable, which is "of equivalent quality; worthy of comparison", as opposed to "able to be likened to another; similar". It's being used as shorthand for "they aren't equivalent", and then they go to justify that assessment.

I get your point though. The form and structure of the language used, consciously of subconsciously, often conveys quite a bit more information than the words themselves impart. Sometimes this is meant to communicate or subconsciously sway the reader, sometimes it's leakage of the writer's mental state.

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by scarface74 »

wilsonnb wrote: post #452
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #419

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you envision them forcing^W encouraging use of Azure, or other MS paid offerings, through GitHub? I can see that working if they don't meddle with GitHub for the next decade, and keep it running well; then people might be convinced to try MS's other offerings. Maybe Heroku style "run this project on your own Azure instance now" (perhaps GitHub does this already?)? Is Azure's rep good enough to pull that off?

I haven't heard anyone say anything bad about Azure that can't be said about AWS, GCP, or whatever IBM calls their cloud hosting service. That is exactly the kind of feature I think they will implement. They will probably add more support in Visual Studio and VSCode for GitHub as well, although their support is already pretty good as far as I know. They can also throw paid GitHub features in with their Office 365 pac…

What type of support could they "add"? They both already have excellent support for any git repo.

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by marricks »

I guess I shouldn't be surprised that come Monday morning all the reasonable critiques are buried at the bottom of the page and all the GitHub + MS love is upvoted to the top, hyping up all the "amazing business synergies".

Multibillion dollar mergers like this are huge things, especially for with a big player acquiring a smaller beloved brand like GitHub. Makes one wonder how many of those leaks over the past week were planned to get the hate out and pave the way for a "cleaner" coming out like what we're seeing here.

An independent player just got gobbled up by a major one, once again the tech world consolidates...

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EDIT:

Perhaps HN is just having issues, but right after I made this comment and checked the thread ALL I saw were critiques. HN must be quite happening this morning... anyways, in response to /u/mcknz, some critiques:

Centralization vs Decentralization https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17221933

Has MS really changed? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17227370

GH was aa neutral 3rd party https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17221640

Wake up call, MS ties to NSA https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17228593

Open source community Doesn’t have a say https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17229241

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EDIT 2 - I'm probably wrong here, I see the comment now I claimed was deleted, I most likely just misplaced my reply.

~~I actually made this as a reply to the most upvoted MS + GitHub love posts and it looks like that comment was removed and I was placed onto the main thread. The title of this story also changed a couple times too. The current neutral one "Microsoft acquires Github" is the original I think, but for a bit it was changed to something a bit more pro MS.~~

~~I wonder if we'll get a story in a couple days about what was happening in this thread...~~

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by deadbunny »

ptx wrote: post #297
shubhamjain wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not let things play out a little before predicting chaos? Github doesn't have the vendor lock-in that other companies have. It starts to go downhill? Just push your repo to another Git host. Yes, you'll need to figure out how to port some of your workflows, but it won't be an insurmountable pain.

That's why the "extend" phase is there in the embrace/extend/extinguish strategy - to make it an insurmountable pain to migrate elsewhere, after first having lured the users in with the "embrace" phase. Letting it play out is just what they need to move from phase 1 to phase 2.

Unless they disable the APIs migrating to another platform would take a couple of days to hack something together. Disabling those APIs would also break a load of tools people already use for management so they would be shooting themselves in the foot.

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by munificent »

crazygringo wrote: post #36
codetrotter wrote: post #15

> And Microsoft is all-in on open source. We have been on a journey with open source, and today we are active in the open source ecosystem, we contribute to open source projects, and some of our most vibrant developer tools and frameworks are open source. When it comes to our commitment to open source, judge us by the actions we have taken in the recent past, our actions today, and in the future. It’s a fair point bu…

Corporations aren't people. If you change the leadership and change employee incentives, it might as well be a different company. Sure there's cultural inertia... but incentives trump culture every time.

Yes, but the argument that they have changed is an equally compelling argument that we can't be confident they won't change again in the future.

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by foepys »

heckanoobs wrote: post #45

I'm excited by this. I feel trapped between Google who will give everything away in exchange for spying on me, and Apple who will respect my privacy but shake me upside down with the most ridiculous vendor lock-in tactics. I'm glad someone as powerful as Microsoft can play the underdog role and provide a viable third alternative. Windows laptops that run Linux well enough for development. VS Code. I now develop on my…

Microsoft let's you pay for Windows 10 and will still present you advertisements in the start menu. You also need to explicitly opt-out of telemetry in all their open-source software. So it's the worst of both worlds.

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by Nullabillity »

lovich wrote: post #575
Nullabillity wrote: post #353

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* Drop Windows and contribute to WINE * Drop OOXML and make ODF the default format * Drop the patents * Drop the telemetry * Drop Xbox * Drop DirectX * Drop the cloud garbage * Drop or open MSVC * Drop or open Edge * Actually open .NET

I can see, or kinda see your point for all of these except for the Xbox. Why would you want them to drop that?

It's a crappy desktop computer stuck in a walled garden.

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by IamaMentalGiant »

nileshtrivedi wrote: post #48
Totoradio wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can understand those concerns, but what can they do to convince you they have changed?

(1) Make it easy for alternative OS to run on Surface/Windows-certified devices: Both x86 and ARM. (2) Support OpenDocumentFormat in their office apps. Still remember how they corrupted the ISO certification process by creating OOXML (which is just a wrapper over binary blobs produced by MS-Office) (3) Stop suing Android OEM's for patent licenses

Especially (3). The day they stop taking $ for Android is the day I believe.
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