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Facebook’s Piracy Problem

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Re: Facebook’s Piracy Problem

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Post by haberman »

hackuser wrote: post #52

A radical idea: Maybe our model of intellectual property is wrong, or outdated. When IP was tied to a physical object, it made some sense to restrict and explicitly license each reproducer. Now we have incredible machines that can reproduce intellectual property almost infinitely, distribute it anywhere on Earth, and find it almost anywhere on Earth. Wow! Maybe we should embrace that innovation, and find a model that…

There are stories you could post this comment on that involve grey areas and subtlety.

But this is a story about people who take other videos, strip the attribution, go viral, and get the benefits from work they had nothing to do with, while the person who actually did the work is cut out of the picture.

There is nothing forward-thinking about that, it's just classless rip-off.

Re: Facebook’s Piracy Problem

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Post by spuz »

personjerry wrote: post #29

I think the issue that the article points out is valid. But it expands to a bigger face than just Facebook. Namely, any content on the Internet, by virtue of being easily accessed, is easily duplicated. Sites like 9gag and Buzzfeed are full of reposts from Reddit and 4chan. "But wait!" you say, "those aren't the same. Those aren't making money like videos!" But the value of any content is to drive views and growth, a…

The difference is that text and images do not have a native platform on which a context creator can publish AND monetise their work. For video there exists YouTube and music Spotify and YouTube again. The opportunities for monetising text and images are miniscule in comparison.

Re: Facebook’s Piracy Problem

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Post by talon88 »

hackuser wrote: post #52

A radical idea: Maybe our model of intellectual property is wrong, or outdated. When IP was tied to a physical object, it made some sense to restrict and explicitly license each reproducer. Now we have incredible machines that can reproduce intellectual property almost infinitely, distribute it anywhere on Earth, and find it almost anywhere on Earth. Wow! Maybe we should embrace that innovation, and find a model that…

"Perhaps financial renumeration, while fair, isn't entirely necessary"

Is it that in your world, eating and paying the rent isn't necessary either?

'Many' creative people sounds like some programmers, which is somewhat small subset of all creatives. I'd be surprised if the majority of creative people — artists, writers, actors, and more — would happily go about saying that financial renumeration doesn't matter to them.

Destin, for example, puts a lot of effort into his videos and his work. Financial renumeration not being necessarily inevitably means Destin does something else for the majority of his time and does Smarter Ever Day less (if at all). This is almost certainly the same for every other artist out there. Sure — maybe all art isn't necessary. Maybe some of it is crap. But saying that being paid to be creative isn't necessarily means that you get very little art, if at all.

Re: Facebook’s Piracy Problem

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Post by Nullabillity »

dragonwriter wrote: post #54
hackuser wrote: post #52

A radical idea: Maybe our model of intellectual property is wrong, or outdated. When IP was tied to a physical object, it made some sense to restrict and explicitly license each reproducer. Now we have incredible machines that can reproduce intellectual property almost infinitely, distribute it anywhere on Earth, and find it almost anywhere on Earth. Wow! Maybe we should embrace that innovation, and find a model that…

> When IP was tied to a physical object Intellectual personal property, like intangible personal property more generally, is, by nature, not generally tied to a physical object.

However, there used to be a significant cost involved in duplicating significant copyrightable works, and the scope of stuff that can be done with only new IP is continuously expanding.

Re: Facebook’s Piracy Problem

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Post by rubbingalcohol »

hackuser wrote: post #52

A radical idea: Maybe our model of intellectual property is wrong, or outdated. When IP was tied to a physical object, it made some sense to restrict and explicitly license each reproducer. Now we have incredible machines that can reproduce intellectual property almost infinitely, distribute it anywhere on Earth, and find it almost anywhere on Earth. Wow! Maybe we should embrace that innovation, and find a model that…

So to sum this up, your proposed solution is that everything should be free? And how does this incentivize people who have to spend a considerable amount of money creating content?

Re: Facebook’s Piracy Problem

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Post by baddox »

hudj1jcnapru38 wrote: post #47
willlma wrote: post #14

Ironically, at the end of the tattoo video that was pirated, Destin Sandlin, the host, is seen wearing [a shirt]( http://www.amazon.com/Stand-Going-Science-T-Shirt-Scientists... ) that is a blatant rip off of an Randall Munroe's (XKCD) [shirt]( http://store-xkcd-com.myshopify.com/products/try-science ).

In case anyone hasn't seen Destin's videos (smarter every day), I'd like to mention that he's an incredibly interesting and engaging person who puts out really high quality content. If you're like me, and think of the pieces of shit that run the RIAA when you hear about piracy complaints... it's worth watching Destin and his videos to see a much more sympathetic actor. (Also, his big beef seems to be facebook's incen…

I think Destin's videos and attitude toward science are pretty top notch. I just don't share all of his views on copyright.

Re: Facebook’s Piracy Problem

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Post by leephillips »

austenallred wrote: post #37

This is absolutely rampant in the blackhat marketing world, (where I used to dabble, but still stay up on mostly out of curiosity). The model goes like this: Watch a few different pages and try to identify something that's bubbling up - that can be different viral facebook pages, reddit, whatever... there are a few different ways, but basically you constantly ping and scrape and try to identify stuff that's going vir…

Interesting. But after scraping the viral content, how do they get people to go to their page instead of the original? Does this work in tandem with gaming Google, so that searches for the viral keywords will get results with the blackhats on the first page?

Re: Facebook’s Piracy Problem

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Post by spuz »

dimino wrote: post #17

Why can't YouTube users just send a DMCA takedown notice to Facebook? If a video makes someone a decent amount of money, then just sue for damages as well. I'm not sure I understand what the problem is.

The video does an excellent job of explaining this beyond what is mentioned in the article. I highly recommend watching it (on YouTube).

Re: Facebook’s Piracy Problem

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Post by baddox »

talon88 wrote: post #63
hackuser wrote: post #52

A radical idea: Maybe our model of intellectual property is wrong, or outdated. When IP was tied to a physical object, it made some sense to restrict and explicitly license each reproducer. Now we have incredible machines that can reproduce intellectual property almost infinitely, distribute it anywhere on Earth, and find it almost anywhere on Earth. Wow! Maybe we should embrace that innovation, and find a model that…

"Perhaps financial renumeration, while fair, isn't entirely necessary" Is it that in your world, eating and paying the rent isn't necessary either? 'Many' creative people sounds like some programmers, which is somewhat small subset of all creatives. I'd be surprised if the majority of creative people — artists, writers, actors, and more — would happily go about saying that financial renumeration doesn't matter to the…

> Is it that in your world, eating and paying the rent isn't necessary either?

Of course it is, and thus figuring out an occupation or business model that allows you to eat and pay rent is important.

Re: Facebook’s Piracy Problem

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Post by littletimmy »

austenallred wrote: post #37

This is absolutely rampant in the blackhat marketing world, (where I used to dabble, but still stay up on mostly out of curiosity). The model goes like this: Watch a few different pages and try to identify something that's bubbling up - that can be different viral facebook pages, reddit, whatever... there are a few different ways, but basically you constantly ping and scrape and try to identify stuff that's going vir…

$60000/month off wordpress ads? That sounds unreasonably high. Why hasn't the market cleared off this profit by now?
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