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Blow to Internet.org as Indian Internet Companies Begin to Withdraw

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Re: Blow to Internet.org as Indian Internet Companies Begin to Withdraw

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The Indian regulator's egregiously biased consultation paper (which sparked this protest) has been exposed on reddit as being written by the telecom industry's lobbyist:

https://www.reddit.com/r/india/comments/32o00z/proof_the_tra...

Apparently they even doctored an alleged quote from The Economist, inserting text that was not in the original article, to make it more biased towards operators.

Re: Blow to Internet.org as Indian Internet Companies Begin to Withdraw

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Just trying to understand from the first principle: If ISPs doesn't charge for facebook usage, then who _actually_ pays? Someone has to...right? Just curious.

Facebook pays. And then owns the user.

Yes, it's a clever way for Facebook to boost their numbers tremendously by giving pipe to people, then counting them as FB users.

Re: Blow to Internet.org as Indian Internet Companies Begin to Withdraw

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The Indian regulator's egregiously biased consultation paper (which sparked this protest) has been exposed on reddit as being written by the telecom industry's lobbyist: https://www.reddit.com/r/india/comments/32o00z/proof_the_tra... Apparently they even doctored an alleged quote from The Economist, inserting text that was not in the original article, to make it more biased towards operators.

Wow! That's unbelievable! I hope the media takes TRAI to the task on this.

Re: Blow to Internet.org as Indian Internet Companies Begin to Withdraw

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wikipedia is a global encyclopedia run by the non-profit Wikimedia foundation, Facebook is an ad-serving, for-profit social network. So I would argue that Wikipedia is the perfect candidate for such a program, and Facebook the worst.

Yes, many people are arguing the same. But I don't think the conclusion is foregone. Wikimedia has been criticized as well: https://www.accessnow.org/blog/2014/08/08/wikipedia-zero-and...

Net Neutrality supporters have their priorities out of whack when they attack Wikipedia for getting free zero rating.

Net neutrality is a means to an end, not the end itself. And wiki being available to millions or billions of people for free doesn't threaten the "open internet."

Re: Blow to Internet.org as Indian Internet Companies Begin to Withdraw

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post #44

After limited protest/outrage in communities like /r/india, the news finally hit big when a comedy group AIB decided to make a video explaining what Net Neutrality is: https://youtu.be/mfY1NKrzqi0 and then it finally hit mainstream media. Amid pressure from everywhere, Flipkart finally withdrew from the Airtel Zero deal which would have been a blow to Net Neutrality in India. Of course, next step was Internet.org and…

Popular support for net neutrality rallied at the last minute by comedians, eh? Comments sent en masse to a regulatory body? Sounds familiar! Hopefully the result will be the same.

With any luck we'll also turn out to be a campaign to be remembered. :)

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For everyone interested in tracking the campaign: stats are posted here: https://twitter.com/bulletinbabu

[Offtopic] The campaign provides a bcc address to keep track of the number of emails people actually send. However when I sent a response it bounced for this bcc address, although it was delivered to TRAI. This happened on the first day of the campaign (the day the AIB video came out) and it is probably fixed now, but this count could be understating things a bit.

I think we're counting about 100k short of actual figures.

Re: Blow to Internet.org as Indian Internet Companies Begin to Withdraw

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After limited protest/outrage in communities like /r/india, the news finally hit big when a comedy group AIB decided to make a video explaining what Net Neutrality is: https://youtu.be/mfY1NKrzqi0 and then it finally hit mainstream media. Amid pressure from everywhere, Flipkart finally withdrew from the Airtel Zero deal which would have been a blow to Net Neutrality in India. Of course, next step was Internet.org and…

That video is wonderful. Anyone know of a video that outlines the importance of net neutrality as it pertains to America? This video covers the core idea excellently, but some of the details are very specific to India and their struggle with neutrality. I'd love to have something to show people that think Neutrality is some government overstep. But I feel like they'd be too distracted by the fact that it's not specifically discussing the new American laws (which is stupid, I know).

Re: Blow to Internet.org as Indian Internet Companies Begin to Withdraw

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Happy that someone wrote about this. We don`t need Facebook's walled garden. It is surprising to see "Wikipedia" aka champion of free speech part of internet.org.

If a company wanted to provide aid and give away food, we don't claim that it is creating an unfair market for the local food industry. If Wikipedia want to give away free access to information, suddenly its an unfair advantage in the market of free information?

Because the access to information is extremely constrained. The Internet is much bigger than just wikipedia. There have been studies which showed that people in such situations who used these so called "Free services" didn't even realize they were actually a part of the much bigger Internet, and just considered them standalone. I guess a similar situation would be people in the old days thinking AOL was synonymous with the Internet.

Do you want to live in a world where your access to information is constrained to one site only?

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