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Blow to Internet.org as Indian Internet Companies Begin to Withdraw

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Re: Blow to Internet.org as Indian Internet Companies Begin to Withdraw

#11

Post by ishansharma »

jbob2000 wrote: post #10
vy3r wrote: post #5

Zuckerberg's sly attempt to sneak in free Facebook through Internet.org not gonna work in India.

Oh no! Giving something away for free! The travesty!

Internet.org is currently offered on only one carrier (Reliance) and this is a clear net neutrality violation. Even if it were offered on all carriers, this is a violation. Also, this is hypocritical since FB supports NN in US!

What's worse is that some companies are using this as an example to push for legalisation of zero rating. This is worsened by our regulator's stancce which is pro telecom companies.

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#14

Post by aravindet »

jbob2000 wrote: post #10
vy3r wrote: post #5

Zuckerberg's sly attempt to sneak in free Facebook through Internet.org not gonna work in India.

Oh no! Giving something away for free! The travesty!

Sometimes preventing fragmentation of the network is more important. A mobile operator can't, for instance, use licensed spectrum to run a service that doesn't interoperate with others or with emergency services - even if it's free.

If Verizon were to sign up for this, it would fall foul of FCC's rules too (it is clearly paid prioritization when all websites that don't pay are blocked.) It's not for nothing that net neutrality laws in a bunch of countries (Chile, the Netherlands, Brazil and probably a few more) explicitly forbid zero-rating.

Re: Blow to Internet.org as Indian Internet Companies Begin to Withdraw

#15

Post by miteshashar »

ishansharma wrote: post #11
jbob2000 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh no! Giving something away for free! The travesty!

Internet.org is currently offered on only one carrier (Reliance) and this is a clear net neutrality violation. Even if it were offered on all carriers, this is a violation. Also, this is hypocritical since FB supports NN in US! What's worse is that some companies are using this as an example to push for legalisation of zero rating. This is worsened by our regulator's stancce which is pro telecom companies.

Do you mean if it were offered on ALL platforms, it wouldn't be a violation?

Re: Blow to Internet.org as Indian Internet Companies Begin to Withdraw

#16

Post by vy3r »

jbob2000 wrote: post #10
vy3r wrote: post #5

Zuckerberg's sly attempt to sneak in free Facebook through Internet.org not gonna work in India.

Oh no! Giving something away for free! The travesty!

FB will love for "the next billion" to be in the walled garden internet of FB. More people to advertise to, no competition.

Re: Blow to Internet.org as Indian Internet Companies Begin to Withdraw

#17

Post by nileshtrivedi »

ishansharma wrote: post #9

One thing to note is that there's no EFF like organisation and this is mostly done by volunteers [1]. This has also been largest response to any consultation by Indian government having received 600K+ responses through campaign sites[2][3]. Previous highest was 20000 mails in 1999. [1]: Disclaimer: I am associated and helping the group. [2]: http://savetheinternet.in/ People can submit response here. [3]: http://netn…

It's important to keep in mind that telco's arguments, that they are losing money or finding it hard to recover their investment costs, have been thoroughly debunked: http://capitalmind.in/2015/04/telecom-companies-are-not-losi...

Re: Blow to Internet.org as Indian Internet Companies Begin to Withdraw

#18

Post by miteshashar »

ishansharma wrote: post #9

One thing to note is that there's no EFF like organisation and this is mostly done by volunteers [1]. This has also been largest response to any consultation by Indian government having received 600K+ responses through campaign sites[2][3]. Previous highest was 20000 mails in 1999. [1]: Disclaimer: I am associated and helping the group. [2]: http://savetheinternet.in/ People can submit response here. [3]: http://netn…

And the previous one was for the telcos too. http://cis-india.org/telecom/resources/new-telecom-policy-19...

Re: Blow to Internet.org as Indian Internet Companies Begin to Withdraw

#19

Post by ishansharma »

ishansharma wrote: post #11
jbob2000 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh no! Giving something away for free! The travesty!

Internet.org is currently offered on only one carrier (Reliance) and this is a clear net neutrality violation. Even if it were offered on all carriers, this is a violation. Also, this is hypocritical since FB supports NN in US! What's worse is that some companies are using this as an example to push for legalisation of zero rating. This is worsened by our regulator's stancce which is pro telecom companies.

@miteshashar Typed it too fast I guess. Will correct.

Re: Blow to Internet.org as Indian Internet Companies Begin to Withdraw

#20

Post by ishansharma »

nileshtrivedi wrote: post #17
ishansharma wrote: post #9

One thing to note is that there's no EFF like organisation and this is mostly done by volunteers [1]. This has also been largest response to any consultation by Indian government having received 600K+ responses through campaign sites[2][3]. Previous highest was 20000 mails in 1999. [1]: Disclaimer: I am associated and helping the group. [2]: http://savetheinternet.in/ People can submit response here. [3]: http://netn…

It's important to keep in mind that telco's arguments, that they are losing money or finding it hard to recover their investment costs, have been thoroughly debunked: http://capitalmind.in/2015/04/telecom-companies-are-not-losi...

The original consultation paper also had similar figures. I don't remember correctly but telcos are expected to lose $400 billion from call and SMS decline by 2020. However, they are expected to earn $1.2 trillion from data growth.
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