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New services expand IBM Watson capabilities to images, speech, and more

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Re: New services expand IBM Watson capabilities to images, speech, and more

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So the gist of what I'm seeing in this thread is, "Watson's API services aren't very good yet, but they will get better as it collects and processes more data".

So basically, IBM is charging us to provide it with training data to make Watson useful for practical applications. Makes sense, but I can't help but feel that it would be a smarter move to skip charging entirely for now, or to use drastically reduced pricing tiers that exist only for the purpose of preventing abuse. The idea of releasing a product like this with less than impressive demos is a bit of a risk. It's not going to encourage people to use it if the demos aren't compelling, and the demos won't be compelling until a lot of people are using it. I'd err on the side of optimism here, it'll probably work out for the best, but it will be interesting to see how this goes and provide a good case study.

My other thought is that if IBM can't get sufficient training data on their own, what hope do the rest of us have? Performing classification on arbitrary data is a herculean task. People could throw literally anything at this api and will expect to get common sense results, it's nearly impossible and pushing the boundaries of what even cutting edge software can do. But if a company like IBM spends billions of dollars and their demos still end up generating mostly confusion and complaints... This kind of open ended "AI" might be more difficult than even the most conservative experts thought.

EDIT: As an after thought, the real value here isn't so much software as it is pooled training data. Facebook has been able to identify human faces in photos for years, speech-to-text and concept modelling have all been around for a long time. What's difficult is getting the labelled data necessary to distinguish between "is this a picture of a person or a picture of a cat?". Watson is great and it seems like IBM has made an investment in acquiring and collecting the data necessary to do that. But their big play here might be to build a consumer friendly enough product that their users contribute the rest of that data for them over the next several years, building an aggregate data set that is worth as much or more than the software itself. Again, will be interesting to see how it plays out.

Re: New services expand IBM Watson capabilities to images, speech, and more

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We know we have strong core speech technology based on various comparisons we have done in the context of competitive evaluations done in conjunction with various government funded speech programs. However, our service is still very new. We could have waited for months to tune it, but our primary goal here is to solicit feedback from the community for how to make our services easier to use, especially in the context…

I run an human powered audio transcription service and I'd be very interested in trying it out. I went through the API docs and it seems straightforward enough. However, what's the pricing? Can't find it anywhere. Is it free?

I believe all of the Watson services are free while in beta and will be paid services once they mature a bit more and exit the beta.

Re: New services expand IBM Watson capabilities to images, speech, and more

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post #41
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We know we have strong core speech technology based on various comparisons we have done in the context of competitive evaluations done in conjunction with various government funded speech programs. However, our service is still very new. We could have waited for months to tune it, but our primary goal here is to solicit feedback from the community for how to make our services easier to use, especially in the context…

yes but how do you sign up for either service?

The Watson services are only accessible through Bluemix for the moment. Create an account on https://console.ng.bluemix.net and then add a service instance.

The idea was that you'll also host your application in bluemix, although I think the services are actually accessible elsewhere once you create the instance in bluemix.

Re: New services expand IBM Watson capabilities to images, speech, and more

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So the gist of what I'm seeing in this thread is, "Watson's API services aren't very good yet, but they will get better as it collects and processes more data". So basically, IBM is charging us to provide it with training data to make Watson useful for practical applications. Makes sense, but I can't help but feel that it would be a smarter move to skip charging entirely for now, or to use drastically reduced pricing…

All of the Watson services are free in beta. (Bluemix, through which the services are accessed, requires a credit card after 30 days, but doesn't charge you for use of the beta Watson services.)

We wanted to get the services into peoples hands early, even though we're still working on them, rather than wait until we had a perfect product. There's a tradeoff here, but we figure that we can improve the services faster and better with public usage and feedback than we could in private isolation.

Since they're free, hopefully people will be able to have some fun playing around with the services, also!

Re: New services expand IBM Watson capabilities to images, speech, and more

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So the gist of what I'm seeing in this thread is, "Watson's API services aren't very good yet, but they will get better as it collects and processes more data". So basically, IBM is charging us to provide it with training data to make Watson useful for practical applications. Makes sense, but I can't help but feel that it would be a smarter move to skip charging entirely for now, or to use drastically reduced pricing…

> What's difficult is getting the labelled data necessary to distinguish between "is this a picture of a person or a picture of a cat?". Watson is great and it seems like IBM has made an investment in acquiring and collecting the data necessary to do that.

Are they using more than ImageNet? The ImageNet dataset(s) are not hard to get.

Re: New services expand IBM Watson capabilities to images, speech, and more

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post #28

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My evidence is anecdotal at best, but I have found Siri to be terrible and my "OK, Google" to be wonderful.

As a speech technologist, I am amazed and proud about how far long the technology has progressed, especially over the last few years. Even my wife now uses speech input on mobile devices (and may finally think I may be doing something productive...). With that said, speech input is still a surprisingly finicky technology and different people will see different beahviors across systems from different providers.

I can only imagine how finicky it is. But it is truly amazing tech, and quite revolutionary. I probably do about 75%+ of my searches via voice, and it would more likely be 90%+ if I wasn't embarrassed about talking to my phone in public and broadcasting my searches to anyone in earshot :P

Re: New services expand IBM Watson capabilities to images, speech, and more

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Agreed, it's hard to find any other marketable IP in IBM's portfolio.

Care to provide some backing info on your statement? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_top_United_States_paten...

He said "marketable IP" (i.e., "useful IP") not "patentable IP".

Re: New services expand IBM Watson capabilities to images, speech, and more

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Some context on the new services. They are built on technology that comes from IBM Research and has been moved into the Watson group in 2014. Some like speech, have been developed for more than 50 years. None of these technologies have overlap with the Watson Jeopardy stack (except for the Watson voice). We will release that stack later this year as a series of services allowing you to build a full Q&A/dialog applica…

Do you plan to open source some of your stuff (voice recognition, speech synthesis, gazetteers, UIMA related code)?

Watson Jeopardy itself is built on top of Apache open source stack (Apache UIMA and Hadoop): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UIMA

Re: New services expand IBM Watson capabilities to images, speech, and more

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Compare the Watson text-to-speech voices with Nuance ... Watson http://text-to-speech-demo.mybluemix.net/ Nuance http://www.nuance.com/for-business/text-to-speech/vocalizer/... I prefer the Watson version voicing a sample paragraph. Both are good enough for an application that selects on price. For a voice-first application, maybe Watson is better for TTS. For speech to text, Nuance has been the leader, e.g. Apple's…

My evidence is anecdotal at best, but I have found Siri to be terrible and my "OK, Google" to be wonderful.

Siri was completely unusable/unresponsive from 2011/2012, but then, somewhere around 2012/2013, started to become pretty good (most of the time) for things like, "Wake me up at 6:30 AM" - I used it for that type of query a lot. Dictation, though, was spotty - I would say about 10-20% of the time, I just got a spinning non-response, and even when it did work, it would be slow, and the results would be iffy. And, once again, I used the dictation a lot.

But - sometime in 2014, and I can't really place it - but right around June/August, Siri all of a sudden turned a corner, and her dictation ability got markedly better - so much now, that I don't even bother typing into my iPhone if I'm in a place where I can talk to it - dictation is 99% flawless. much better than my typing, and unquestionably faster.

For whatever reason, Apple hasn't been making a big deal of this - perhaps because they don't want to admit how crappy it was before - but it really is a big deal. Siri is, 3 years later, what she should have been in 20111.

Can't wait to see what the next step in this evolution will be...

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