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The new land of opportunity for immigrants is Germany

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Re: The new land of opportunity for immigrants is Germany

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> As for the U.S., the key difference with Germany is that our fertility rate is 1.89 (over 2.1 during the boom). Theirs is 1.36 (under 1.4 since 1990). Please, when online (but also offline) do not use "ours" or "theirs". What is "ours" in this case? Germany or US? It is not clear from the context. Also, if a person born in Germany goes to the US, what is "ours", what is "theirs" to s/he?

American is 1.89.

For all America, or just the USA?

Re: The new land of opportunity for immigrants is Germany

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I don't have much information about Germany apart from a couple one-week holidays, so I can't really comment on those. On the other hand, I've moved to Britain 2 years ago (with a secured job that I'm just leaving for a new one this week) and in my experience this isn't far away from "The Land of Opportunity". The Greater London area and, to some extent, the M4 corridor is just the paradise for skilled IT workers. He…

Isn't the London real estate market as pricy as S.F., though?

Both are like black holes of real estate crazy orbiting each other...

Re: The new land of opportunity for immigrants is Germany

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I'd say it's possible. I had colleagues with no grasp of the German language, minor English skills and no degree because the IT Industry in Germany is terribly hungry for employees. This was in Stuttgart (southwest), but I assume it's the same accross the country.

Sorry for the dumb question, but how would I find these employers? I did study four years of German in highschool (so I can hold a conversation with a toddler. Maybe) and have a degree in mathematics from UIUC.

depending on your field of expertise feel free to get in touch (I'm not a recruiter, but a freelancer with an extensive knowledge when it comes to good/bad employers here in germany. :)).

Re: The new land of opportunity for immigrants is Germany

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The various sides of the immigration debate are talking past each other. This article describes a German program that takes high skill people like the architect profiled in the article, while those opposed to immigration are mainly concerned about the large numbers of low-skill people who are not interested in assimilating. The anti-immigrant folks in Britain and France aren't worried about Mr. Pinol. They're worried…

The article does talk about African laborers and Bulgarian demolition crews. Not high-skilled work. Also "Angela Merkel... has spoken out against immigrants relocating here merely to tap generous domestic welfare benefits." You're right that masses of low-skill immigrants is a problem, especially when they are not integrating with society. It seems Germany has this problem too ("And many Germans still call the lack o…

> You're right that masses of low-skill immigrants is a problem, especially when they are not integrating with society.

Turks aren't that much of a problem anymore. These days, the massive influx of refugees (unanticipated by our stupid politicians) are the biggest problem. We lock 'em in overcrowded camps, prohibit them from working for 9 months and then wonder why trouble arises.

Fuck our politicians. The way the entire EU treats refugees is disgusting.

Re: The new land of opportunity for immigrants is Germany

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What is the chance of moving to Germany from the US without a college degree, but rather with five years industry experience and a handful of certifications, plus a good grasp of the German language? Would companies generally go for that, or would German authorities allow that?

I also work in IT -- to get my residency, I had to bring both copies and the original of my college diploma. Not sure how much they bend the rules on that. It was listed by the Ausländerbehörde as a required document.

In general, Germany is really into "qualifications." You'll meet people who are addressed as Mr. Dr. Professor. Your competition by Germans will mostly have at least an MSc -- so that's what your certifications and experience will have to compete with.

(Edited to add: I came from the US. It's probably different for EU citizens).

Re: The new land of opportunity for immigrants is Germany

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The various sides of the immigration debate are talking past each other. This article describes a German program that takes high skill people like the architect profiled in the article, while those opposed to immigration are mainly concerned about the large numbers of low-skill people who are not interested in assimilating. The anti-immigrant folks in Britain and France aren't worried about Mr. Pinol. They're worried…

That's not true, I did a Ph.D in France, I was an assistant professor, and was stopped and fully body searched by the police at the train station for the only reason I am dark skinned. Not only did it end there, even after they saw my papers and called the university, I was let go, but the pack leader had to yell at me that France is not a place for me.

Affraid of Low skilled ppl ? No! Affraid of difference, definetly yes! But again this is France. Don't know about Germany, but Canada is way more warm hearted than France.

Re: The new land of opportunity for immigrants is Germany

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Is there something wrong with self-governance, as long as your rules don't violate the laws of the land?

We get a lot of daft Muslim scare stories in some parts of the press here in the UK, "sharia law" being one of the favourites - this article in the Guardian tries to point out the reality: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/12/muslim-scare-st... On closer inspection, it is clear sharia courts only have jurisdiction on civil matters and everyone must opt in to a sharia court. They only have an advisory capacity…

Why do you think it's acceptable to have a civil court based on religious principles? The idea is wrong and is the start of a slippery slope.

Opting out of these courts may not be an option for women pressured by their families and communities.

Re: The new land of opportunity for immigrants is Germany

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What are examples?

If you mean examples about rent prices, a 1-room apartment in Charlottenburg (nice location) costs around €600. Similar apartment in Wedding (a bit further north) is around €500. For reference, a regular programming job should be around €1500 per month after taxes, while a month worth of supermarket food costs around €250 (although the right habits can shave almost a hundred from that). Add another €100 for a month o…

I'm going to third that. 1500 is definitely very low for a monthly salary as a software developer. A one bedroom in a nice part of Berlin is already more than half of that.

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For all America, or just the USA?

Nobody from Canada or Mexico would say they are "an American." Americans are residents/citizens of the USA.

Not totally true. I went to school with a lot of Mexicans and they would get verbally upset when I referred to the US as "America". As a Canadian, I could care less but they were very adamant about it.
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