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Snowden's destination is Venezuela through Havana

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Re: Snowden's destination is Venezuela through Havana

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It's not so expensive.

You're right, of course. It's only $450 to go direct from Hong Kong to Moscow on Aeroflot. Perhaps I should reconsider my summer vacation plans. It costs more to visit my parents in Minnesota. Ugh.

On the downside you have to fly Aeroflot. I saw a flight attendant take a passenger's finished water cup, and reuse it to serve to another passenger. Classy.

Re: Snowden's destination is Venezuela through Havana

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Why would one go to Venezuela in his situation? What am I missing here? Or is that just a transit location towards Ecuador?

Because they have no extradition treaty with the US. That's why George Clooney fled there.

Also relevant: David Mamet's The Spanish Prisoner

Re: Snowden's destination is Venezuela through Havana

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Why would one go to Venezuela in his situation? What am I missing here? Or is that just a transit location towards Ecuador?

Seems like he's actually anti-US, rather than just pro-US-citizen.

yeah, these days any one promoting the Constitution and the values contained therein are anti-US

/s

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It was brilliant. Hong Kong didn't immediately jump when the US Government said to jump. It enabled Snowden to get away. So let's take score. US military has over a hundred bases globally. The CIA operates in over a hundred countries. The US intelligence budget is over $80 billion. The NSA can 'see' practically everything. And there goes Snowden, escaping on a common commercial flight out of Hong Kong. If anybody loo…

Or maybe the USG doesn't really think he's all that important.

Maybe. Maybe they're just playing coy.

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So you fight for a better world seeking protection from the scum of the world? Damn contradiction.

The thing that makes the American propoganda so powerful is that the US Constitution really is an amazing document created with the best of intents. So much so that it becomes very easy to whitewash the universal and permanent truth that government power is dangerous and corrupting.

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You're right, of course. It's only $450 to go direct from Hong Kong to Moscow on Aeroflot. Perhaps I should reconsider my summer vacation plans. It costs more to visit my parents in Minnesota. Ugh.

On the downside you have to fly Aeroflot. I saw a flight attendant take a passenger's finished water cup, and reuse it to serve to another passenger. Classy.

Could be a desirable feature, you know, to make the poisoning more difficult.

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It was brilliant. Hong Kong didn't immediately jump when the US Government said to jump. It enabled Snowden to get away. So let's take score. US military has over a hundred bases globally. The CIA operates in over a hundred countries. The US intelligence budget is over $80 billion. The NSA can 'see' practically everything. And there goes Snowden, escaping on a common commercial flight out of Hong Kong. If anybody loo…

The US looks like a bully.

It is a massive fucking bully.

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It was brilliant. Hong Kong didn't immediately jump when the US Government said to jump. It enabled Snowden to get away. So let's take score. US military has over a hundred bases globally. The CIA operates in over a hundred countries. The US intelligence budget is over $80 billion. The NSA can 'see' practically everything. And there goes Snowden, escaping on a common commercial flight out of Hong Kong. If anybody loo…

HK is also one of the few places in the world that both offered a reasonable chance of not turning him over and didn't arouse too much suspicion when he requested time off. I can't imagine the NSA looks too kindly on non-business trips to Caracas, Moscow, or Havana. Even Iceland could have turned some heads given its recent streak of standing up for itself. He has roundly ruined HK for future whistleblowers though!

His answer here would seem to suggest that he didn't request time off: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/17/edward-snowden-n...

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It was brilliant. Hong Kong didn't immediately jump when the US Government said to jump. It enabled Snowden to get away. So let's take score. US military has over a hundred bases globally. The CIA operates in over a hundred countries. The US intelligence budget is over $80 billion. The NSA can 'see' practically everything. And there goes Snowden, escaping on a common commercial flight out of Hong Kong. If anybody loo…

Or maybe the USG doesn't really think he's all that important.

From watching CNN, the tone I get from the government is that they mainly want him so they can send a message to other potential leakers that this sort of behavior won't be tolerated.

Is he important enough to move heaven and earth for? I didn't get that. The Obama administration needs to tread very carefully here, which is why, so long as Snowden doesn't make a stupid mistake, which it looks like he won't, he'll be able to squirrel himself away in Latin America. Obama, as head of state, needs to at least make the appearance he's protecting the power and prestige of the government. But he also needs to avoid looking like the terroristic assholes we're at war with.

It's a very thin line, and I'm actually a little impressed with how he's handling this.

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