I just loved that article a few days back about how brilliant he was for picking HK.
Snowden's destination is Venezuela through Havana
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Re: Snowden's destination is Venezuela through Havana
#52I just loved that article a few days back about how brilliant he was for picking HK.
Given that the HK governments press release reads like diplomat speak for "fuck you, we let him leave even though we know exactly where he left from, and btw. fuck you for spying on us in case you wondered why we're not doing your dirty business (ps: fuck you)", while many other governments would have bent over backwards to accommodate the US, it does indeed seem to have been a quite good starting point.
Re: Snowden's destination is Venezuela through Havana
#53He's structured his journey so that if the USA tries to force the plane to Havana down in a US airport, it will create an international incident with Russia . The USA could give two shits about antagonizing Cuba, but Russia is still scary.
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#54Why do we know all this? If he had such a perfect plan why does the whole world know where he's headed? Or maybe he's just really bad at keeping secrets.
We know all this because this is a message from those countries. It's big middle finger to the USA. They are saying: we know exactly where he is and what he is doing but we are not going to stop him - because fuck you. If you read the HK press release, this is so well stated actually "Snowden is going to russia and we are not going to do anything about it. BTW, what about you spying our embassy again?".
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#55I just loved that article a few days back about how brilliant he was for picking HK.
It was brilliant. Hong Kong didn't immediately jump when the US Government said to jump. It enabled Snowden to get away. So let's take score. US military has over a hundred bases globally. The CIA operates in over a hundred countries. The US intelligence budget is over $80 billion. The NSA can 'see' practically everything. And there goes Snowden, escaping on a common commercial flight out of Hong Kong. If anybody loo…
Not really. What can they really do? Usually, they'd bully countries into submission. Hong Kong proved it does not bow down to the US. They also cannot really kidnap him or anything like that. It's way too public at this point, and as "terrible" the CIA sometimes is, they're not a bunch of murdering assholes like the Mossad.
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#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
There was no recount, at least not one that would be considered acceptable by most standards. If I'm wrong please provide a link.
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1577180-venezuela-cuenta-otra-vez...
[1] http://rt.com/news/venezuela-presidential-election-results-8...
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#58So you fight for a better world seeking protection from the scum of the world? Damn contradiction.
If you are fighting against the hypocrisy and frankly tyranny of the west, where would you go to be protected? All that's left is allies, like the UK who will just hand you over, or as you put it, "scum". Whether you like it or not, he has very little choice, the US has too many countries in its pocket.
You argument is down there with the other weasel language (hero, patriot, anti-American, what have you got to hide, etc) deployed against whistle blowers.
So, where you go to try to be safe? Or are you too "patriotic", or is it scared, to ever criticize or expose the US?
You want "damn contradiction"? How about claiming to be leaders of the free world while industrially mass spying on the so called free citizens you claim to lead?
Re: Snowden's destination is Venezuela through Havana
#59I just loved that article a few days back about how brilliant he was for picking HK.
It was brilliant. Hong Kong didn't immediately jump when the US Government said to jump. It enabled Snowden to get away. So let's take score. US military has over a hundred bases globally. The CIA operates in over a hundred countries. The US intelligence budget is over $80 billion. The NSA can 'see' practically everything. And there goes Snowden, escaping on a common commercial flight out of Hong Kong. If anybody loo…
Re: Snowden's destination is Venezuela through Havana
#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
Please correct yourself. There was a recount, and it ended up showing there was no irregularities. And No, it is not a partisan opinion. Unless you think Jimmy Carter and hundreds of other organizations controlling the vote AND the recount are part of a communist plot.
What recount? I'm Venezuelan, there was no recount.