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Re: The GNOME developers removed it.

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> Dolphin is still an awkward kid compared to Konqueror Are you kidding? Dolphin is probably the best graphical file manager in existence. It's streets ahead of anything on Linux, OS X or Windows. The only thing I miss on OS X is actually Dolphin.

Well, it has no menu and I have trouble typing KIO urls into it. Maybe I'm old school?

1. Every kde application has a menu and if it's hidden you can show it with ctrl-m (alright, not the most discoverable shortcut, but it is there)

2. Press the "control" button on the toolbar for a menu when hidden.

3. You're right about KIO urls.

Dolphin is also very fast. Even if you have enabled thumbnails for files and open a folder containing thousands of images it shows all files instantly and loads up the thumbnails in the background. I can't remember Nautilus ever doing it like that, though in fairness I stopped using Gnome when 2.2 took away the "launch terminal" option from the desktop's context menu.

Re: The GNOME developers removed it.

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So 2 years after the appearance of Gnome Shell someone still doesn't get that Gnome tries to simplify the whole interface and that Gnome has been trying to create a simple interface for the majority of people for many many years. Big news. Good thing is you have alternatives from MATE to KDE, Xfce, E17, etc. etc. It's not like you're forced to use Nautilus either. Personally i never understood the hatred towards chan…

> 2 years after the appearance of Gnome Shell

This is not a new development. They have been moving in this direction since more than a decade ago. Whoever didn't get it when 2.4 came out, probably likes the way Gnome is changing; or just wasn't a Gnome user back then.

Re: The GNOME developers removed it.

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So 2 years after the appearance of Gnome Shell someone still doesn't get that Gnome tries to simplify the whole interface and that Gnome has been trying to create a simple interface for the majority of people for many many years. Big news. Good thing is you have alternatives from MATE to KDE, Xfce, E17, etc. etc. It's not like you're forced to use Nautilus either. Personally i never understood the hatred towards chan…

What _I_ don't get is how removal of type-ahead find, compact view and backspace to parent is making it simpler for users. I consider these the most basic features of any sane file manager. One more confirmation that switching to XFCE was the right thing to do.

I worry that you're still using Nautilus 3.6, which was definitely an interim version of Nautilus. If you check out 3.8, you'll see that type-ahead search is very much there, and better than ever — especially if you happen to have Tracker installed :)

The key difference is it's effectively a file search that is easy to back out of, so it only shows files that match your input. Personally, I find that makes it a lot easier to flip between a bunch of files with similar names, and it's making me really like search — which I had never really used before. It'll search recursively, but the files from the current folder are listed first, so it's harder to get lost among them than it sounds. (And I think there might be something on the roadmap to list files from the current folder and from elsewhere under a separate heading, but I could be mixing that up with something else).

Re: The GNOME developers removed it.

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I feel sorry for the Gnome guys - they get crucified if they do or don't advance the platform, yet look across and see other fruit flavoured platforms pull worse on their user base yet their fan base not only approves of it, but they somehow justify in the most Stockholm syndrome walled garden kind of way.

>> I feel sorry for the Gnome guys - they get crucified if they do or don't advance the platform

I don't think this is true. They get crucified because they're trying to create a desktop experience for a market that doesn't exist.

Their GNOME 2 user base were all workstation users who were using GNOME 2 in their day to day lives get get work done. Instead of making GNOME 2 better (under the hood) the GNOME developers decided to jump onto the tablet UI bandwagon and drastically change the UI. However, their user base simply didn't need this, they just wanted a more stable desktop top rather than a different one.

In my opinion, the crucial mistake the GNOME developers made was forcing this new UI experience through peoples throats by chucking out everything they accomplished with GNOME 2. GNOME 3 should have been a separate project under a different name. If it really was that much better than GNOME 2 then at least people had a choice to switch. But now we can't and everyone is scrambling to find a GNOME 2 replacement..

Re: The GNOME developers removed it.

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Why was Microsoft dominant from Windows ME to the release of Win7? Why: It is hard to break a dominant position when they enjoy 2 order of magnitude more corporate support than their closest rivals.

I'm not sure what you're getting at. Are you saying every operating system Microsoft released after Win98SE and before Windows 7 was on the same level as ME? Have you forgotten about 2000 and XP?

Security wise and feature wise, they were. Stability got better, but even KDE2 was better at that point in time. Same goes for IE6 vs. Netscape Navigator/Mozilla Suite. Once they got to the top and locked the corporate lock, it was over. It took years or awesomeness until Firefox got big

Re: The GNOME developers removed it.

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"see other fruit flavoured platforms pull worse on their user base" No vague assertions, please be more specific "yet their fan base not only approves of it, but they somehow justify" Coincidentally their "fan base" is composed of several people with design and user experience knowledge (in various degrees) so I believe their acceptance of things has a basis. (And it doesn't mean they accept everything) Edit: as an e…

I've said this before here, but Apple have really concentrated on the laptop experience at the expense of the desktop experience. Which is understandable if you look at their sales figures. I was using a Mac Mini when I first upgraded to Mountain Lion, and really wasn't a big fan. Then I got a Macbook Air, and all of a sudden all of the modifications made sense. Things like the fact that they have optimised the OS fo…

Yes, agree 100%. Especially with the SSD optimizations (in ML it seems less pronounced, still)

Yes, the 3-finger swipe can be only done if you have an Apple trackpad, either the built-in one or you the separate one (I have one of these and it's nice, having come from a trackball)

Not sure if you can do this with the magic mouse (maybe there's a different way)

Re: The GNOME developers removed it.

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post #66

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I'm not sure what you're getting at. Are you saying every operating system Microsoft released after Win98SE and before Windows 7 was on the same level as ME? Have you forgotten about 2000 and XP?

Security wise and feature wise, they were. Stability got better, but even KDE2 was better at that point in time. Same goes for IE6 vs. Netscape Navigator/Mozilla Suite. Once they got to the top and locked the corporate lock, it was over. It took years or awesomeness until Firefox got big

I'm sorry, I'm not at all sure how to respond to this comment. It aligns not at all with the world I experienced between 2000 and 2009. From my viewpoint, each non-ME desktop/workstation iteration of Windows during that period -- 2000, XP, and Vista and their service packs -- provided significant advancement in security and features, even if in Vista's case, the total package was arguably undesirable.

The comparison to what has happened with GNOME seems particularly off-base, since Microsoft was not actively seeking to destroy existing workflows and pitch anyone -- power user or not -- overboard. On the contrary, their fanatical devotion to backward compatibility largely remained and paid great dividends, as it has for ~30 years.

I say this not as someone who has any need to defend Microsoft, by the way. My livelihood has never substantially depended on anything Microsoft-related, and my own first choice of productivity OS was Linux by the late 90s, and OS X by 2006.

Your apparent worldview simply cannot be reconciled with my own experiences. It's as if you'd said what a lovely shade of puce the clear blue sky was.

Re: The GNOME developers removed it.

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As Nautilus has been horribly slow for a long time, I switched to PCManFM, the file manager of LXDE. It integrates well with GNOME, and is pretty much full-featured. There's also a status bar ;-) The only weird thing is that in the "detailed list view", the sort order cannot be changed by clicking the column headers.

That's odd, I'm on a netbook running Lubuntu right now and I can do that. Have you tried filing a bug?

It seems to be a known bug in PCManFM 1.1.0. Ubuntu 12.10 ships with version 1.0.1, which is unaffected.

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3583229&...

Re: The GNOME developers removed it.

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That's odd, I'm on a netbook running Lubuntu right now and I can do that. Have you tried filing a bug?

It seems to be a known bug in PCManFM 1.1.0. Ubuntu 12.10 ships with version 1.0.1, which is unaffected. http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3583229&...

What about 13.04, which is what I'm running?
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