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Re: Google Fiber announced for Provo, Utah

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Post by djrogers »

wangg wrote: post #46

Can someone explain the impact of widely-distributed fiber on DDOS attacks? As I understand it, if 1-2 of these nodes get compromised, then add in the 10-100x magnification via DNS, you're looking at 10-100gigabits of bandwidth off only two nodes? Compared to the recently published high of 300, this seems disproportionally high.

Pedantically speaking, it's difficult - in fact darned near impossible - for a single residential type host (ie, likely a laptop running windows) to utilize anywhere near the full 1Gb capacity offered.

That said, a botnet host running on this network would be substantially more capable of causing damage than a host on an 8Mbps upstream.

Hopefully google has plans or already has implemented some ability to mitigate that type of problem...

Re: Google Fiber announced for Provo, Utah

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Post by X-Istence »

mrtimo wrote: post #48
austenallred wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Free Internet at 5 mb up/down for a $300 installation fee.

you mean $30 fee _for a $30 activation fee (plus applicable taxes) and no monthly charge for at least 7 years_

From the linked site:

Up to 5Mbps download, 1Mbps upload speed • No data caps • Free service guaranteed for at least 7 years • Includes Network Box $300 construction fee (one time or 12 monthly payments of $25) + taxes and fees

Re: Google Fiber announced for Provo, Utah

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Post by phaedryx »

miles_matthias wrote: post #31

I can see how buying fiber networks like this helps their implementation strategy, but Provo where? I've literally never heard of this town. I'm wondering if these Google Fiber experiments wouldn't be more impactful if they weren't in big cities. KC and Austin are good choices with solid tech centers to see innovation from high network speeds, but Provo, Utah? Really?

Ranked #1 by Forbes: http://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2012/06/27/the-b...

Re: Google Fiber announced for Provo, Utah

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Post by axusgrad »

antimatter wrote: post #18

Realistically speaking, if all these various roll outs go smoothly for Google, how many years until we see Google Fiber in major cities (LA, SF, NY, etc.)?

Provo, Utah has about 100k population. There are about 250 US cities with at least 100k people. If Google doubles the number of cities they serve every year, and starts with the smallest cities, that's 7 more years to reach the largest cities.

Most people assume they'll stop when AT&T + Verizon start investing in land lines again, but who can say if Google will have the desired effect.

Re: Google Fiber announced for Provo, Utah

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Post by bjt »

miles_matthias wrote: post #31

I can see how buying fiber networks like this helps their implementation strategy, but Provo where? I've literally never heard of this town. I'm wondering if these Google Fiber experiments wouldn't be more impactful if they weren't in big cities. KC and Austin are good choices with solid tech centers to see innovation from high network speeds, but Provo, Utah? Really?

Tech companies in Provo: http://www.siliconslopes.com/company/search-companies

Maybe the double-take says more about the our prejudices than about the strength of the tech industry in Utah county. The BYU/Mormon association makes it not a top destination for techno-hipsters, but that's not the same thing as being a tech backwater. The fact that they built iProvo in the first place is a pretty good sign.

(I lived in Utah until about 10 years ago.)

Re: Google Fiber announced for Provo, Utah

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Post by tomkinstinch »

Rochester, NY has a municipal fiber network running through its sewers, and Verizon is absent from the city. In the past before Kansas City, Rochester and county were vying for Google to come to town. With a favorable environment and a supportive government I'm hoping we'll be next.

http://www.monroecounty.gov/google-map

Re: Google Fiber announced for Provo, Utah

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

wangg wrote: post #46

Can someone explain the impact of widely-distributed fiber on DDOS attacks? As I understand it, if 1-2 of these nodes get compromised, then add in the 10-100x magnification via DNS, you're looking at 10-100gigabits of bandwidth off only two nodes? Compared to the recently published high of 300, this seems disproportionally high.

Those attacks only work from networks that don't impose egress filtering.

Re: Google Fiber announced for Provo, Utah

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Post by EvanAnderson »

miles_matthias wrote: post #31

I can see how buying fiber networks like this helps their implementation strategy, but Provo where? I've literally never heard of this town. I'm wondering if these Google Fiber experiments wouldn't be more impactful if they weren't in big cities. KC and Austin are good choices with solid tech centers to see innovation from high network speeds, but Provo, Utah? Really?

Provo, UT was home to the former headquarters of Novell. There are still a number of tech companies in the area as a result of the concentration of talent there.

Re: Google Fiber announced for Provo, Utah

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Post by mrchucklepants »

rdl wrote: post #52
JPKab wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Utah has a pretty solid economy, and lots of outdoors enthuiasts love it. I don't know much about Provo, but the drawback to me about Utah is that you have to live in a state that is strongly controlled by the LDS, which is great if you are a mainstream Mormon. Not so much if you aren't. My good friend recently left the Salt Lake City area after several years. When his neighbors found out he wasn't Mormon (LDS to be…

I'm not LDS, and generally dislike religion, but I wonder how bad an LDS-controlled area really would be. I assume it means good disaster/etc. preparation, a relatively strong social safety net for participants (and thus less abject poverty, random crazy people, etc.) The non-LDS or ex-LDS people I know who live in Utah (from Defcon or whatever) seem pretty cohesive as well. Maybe because it's a smaller tech scene th…

To answer your last question, yes. I work in Provo, and many of us here are LDS and many aren't. Most of us don't care who is and who isn't. Everyone gets along great. No one is left out and religious standing has zero affect on job status.

There may be exceptions in other companies, but this has been my experience.

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