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Re: Proposal to prohibit vibe coded projects from being hosted on Sourcehut

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Post by piloto_ciego »

orwin wrote: post #49
piloto_ciego wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's laughable to me, imagine a company saying that they would only host projects that were written in assembly. I mean, "sure" you do you, but I will not be doing business there. These kinds of ideological purity tests and the weird bureaucracies and little fiefdoms associated with them are anathema the hacker ethos.

Did you check the number of open PRs and commit/hour of vibecoded projects? If course they are banned from small community-funded hosts, they eat compute and data for free. Honestly, my vote would have been to make vibe-coded pay per commit, but I guess introducing money is taboo for those communities

I actually would have been fine with this move too, “look, first 5 commits per day are free, after that it’s $cost” would have been fine.

But look at the comments and discourse around this. I guarantee you it ain’t about the money.

Re: Proposal to prohibit vibe coded projects from being hosted on Sourcehut

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Post by iamnothere »

LoganDark wrote: post #56
iamnothere wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel the same way. There’s a big chunk of the FOSS community that has dedicated itself to the cultural left “omnicause,” which seems to require full agreement with the consensus as one of its membership criteria. The thing is, even though I agree with many (but not all) of its tenets on paper, I don’t really agree with the methods used or the insistence on full agreement. I also just despise ordinary politicking, a…

> I think the biggest schism I have with these people is over identity. I prefer to have no identity. Anonymous (or pseudonymous), faceless. Same here. I don't even have just one identity in the first place (thanks to DID), but not a single one identifies as a "real human". I suspect these people have some sort of idea of what constitutes a "real human" to them, and in this case it seems to be making a full canonical…

> I suspect these people have some sort of idea of what constitutes a "real human" to them, and in this case it seems to be making a full canonical identity directly available.

That’s a great point. They want to be able to dig through your history to make sure that you’re co-aligned, and maybe to find something they can use if they need to influence or target you. To that I say, no thanks.

Re: Proposal to prohibit vibe coded projects from being hosted on Sourcehut

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Post by g-b-r »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #37
seviu wrote: post #24

'They are an environmental catastrophe' This for me the main source of concern. I am having a blast vibe coding. I understand my job is at risk. But I am totally oblivious to the fact that they are accelerating climate change.

If that's the main concern, wouldn't banning them from code sharing sites be harmful? If a person can create a project using AI and share it, then people can use their code without having to reinvent it. If it can't be shared, then anybody who wants that functionality will recreate it from scratch, and if they use AI to do so then you have now burned ~2x the compute=electricity=impact.

Vibecoders like to make all kinds of things that already exist, often don't care (or notice) if the AI rewrites everything instead of using what exists, and LLMs love to do that.

Re: Proposal to prohibit vibe coded projects from being hosted on Sourcehut

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Post by LoganDark »

iamnothere wrote: post #63
LoganDark wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think the biggest schism I have with these people is over identity. I prefer to have no identity. Anonymous (or pseudonymous), faceless. Same here. I don't even have just one identity in the first place (thanks to DID), but not a single one identifies as a "real human". I suspect these people have some sort of idea of what constitutes a "real human" to them, and in this case it seems to be making a full canonical…

> I suspect these people have some sort of idea of what constitutes a "real human" to them, and in this case it seems to be making a full canonical identity directly available. That’s a great point. They want to be able to dig through your history to make sure that you’re co-aligned, and maybe to find something they can use if they need to influence or target you. To that I say, no thanks.

In my discussion with Drew, it was framed as an issue of trust: "You've set yourself up in a position of not trusting your peers. They offer you this courtesy, but you deny it to them." To me, whether or not to trust others is a purely individual decision. If others choose to be trusting, that is their choice. It is likewise my choice not to give out trust so freely, and somehow that is treated as selfish and unfair. I want to contribute my thoughts and work to the community, but apparently, I am not trusting enough to be a part of it.

I choose to support the inverse; that is, I will explicitly tell others that they have no need to trust me whatsoever. I try to make arguments, contribute work and generally conduct myself in such a way that any merit is self-evident, and that there is no need to trust me. It is not an issue when someone does, of course, but there is certainly an issue when they try to demand my trust in return.

In my opinion, we live in a dystopia, and we should generally strive towards protocols and "cultures" that do not demand so much "trust". If full trust is required to participate, you will suffer from bad actors that pretend to trust, while excluding honest actors who do not. The same problem exists with things like ID verification, because bad actors have access to unlimited IDs, while honest people may not have access to, or be willing to surrender, any at all.

Re: Proposal to prohibit vibe coded projects from being hosted on Sourcehut

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Post by VariousPrograms »

GPerson wrote: post #23
websap wrote: post #7

Yikes! I've been a software engineer for over a decade, and I've never had more fun in my career. Running an AI assistant on a cloud machine to pair with me, explore my ideas, learn new tricks, and even write code that I would never write due to timelines and deadlines has been fantastic. Using coding agents to search for patterns, understanding why our abstractions might not be working because of how users integrate…

What does vibe coding mean to you? I use the term vibe code to mean software produced by conversation with an agent, with minimal or no understanding of the code / project structure by the person. Your process doesn’t sound like vibe coding to me, though maybe this part is “and even write code that I would never write”. If you’re just generating snippets as black boxes and putting that into a project you’re otherwise…

The people in support of these bans generally aren't interested in "good vibe coded" software. They oppose LLMs altogether on various grounds, not just the output quality.

FWIW, if an LLM is writing significant code, I'd consider it vibe coding regardless of your understanding of the code or expert guidance and almost certainly ban-AI people would too. The scale people seem care about when this comes up is code percentage that's LLM-written to hand-written, not code ignorance to full understanding by the author.

Re: Proposal to prohibit vibe coded projects from being hosted on Sourcehut

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Post by iamnothere »

LoganDark wrote: post #67
iamnothere wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I suspect these people have some sort of idea of what constitutes a "real human" to them, and in this case it seems to be making a full canonical identity directly available. That’s a great point. They want to be able to dig through your history to make sure that you’re co-aligned, and maybe to find something they can use if they need to influence or target you. To that I say, no thanks.

In my discussion with Drew, it was framed as an issue of trust: "You've set yourself up in a position of not trusting your peers. They offer you this courtesy, but you deny it to them." To me, whether or not to trust others is a purely individual decision. If others choose to be trusting, that is their choice. It is likewise my choice not to give out trust so freely, and somehow that is treated as selfish and unfair.…

Fully agree. Trust is earned, not given, and trust is also contextual. I’ve certainly known pseudonymous internet users that I came to trust for certain things, based on their reliability over time. Would I trust them in a different context? Probably not, at least until I got to know them in that context.

I’ve been burned by freely giving trust when it wasn’t deserved, assuming that it would be respected and reciprocated. As you said, that’s just not the world we live in.

Re: Proposal to prohibit vibe coded projects from being hosted on Sourcehut

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Post by GPerson »

VariousPrograms wrote: post #68
GPerson wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does vibe coding mean to you? I use the term vibe code to mean software produced by conversation with an agent, with minimal or no understanding of the code / project structure by the person. Your process doesn’t sound like vibe coding to me, though maybe this part is “and even write code that I would never write”. If you’re just generating snippets as black boxes and putting that into a project you’re otherwise…

The people in support of these bans generally aren't interested in "good vibe coded" software. They oppose LLMs altogether on various grounds, not just the output quality. FWIW, if an LLM is writing significant code, I'd consider it vibe coding regardless of your understanding of the code or expert guidance and almost certainly ban-AI people would too. The scale people seem care about when this comes up is code perce…

The tab completion feature a lot of people were using before the term ‘vibecoding’ was coined by the AI dude is or isn’t vibecoding in your view?
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