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Re: Proposal to prohibit vibe coded projects from being hosted on Sourcehut

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Post by iamnothere »

LoganDark wrote: post #38

I am sad to see this. Drew personally told me that I should use my real personal email to contribute ("Services like Firefox Relay are not compatible with the spirit of SourceHut. You should be using your real email address with the mailing lists") -- which I don't do because I don't trust others with it, let alone the general public -- so I was already excluded, but I still had some respect for the project as a whol…

Ironically this “real email” policy (was not aware of this btw) is just as unenforceable as a blanket no-LLM policy. Is “joeschmoe354266@icloud.com” your real email or not, and how do you prove it?

I don’t even use LLMs, but these puritanical stands are a real turn-off. I got into FOSS because I don’t want anyone telling me what to do, not so I can be the one who tells other people what to do.

Re: Proposal to prohibit vibe coded projects from being hosted on Sourcehut

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Post by warkdarrior »

atmanactive wrote: post #30
seabre wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To echo another reply in the thread, but with an example: have you seen the stats for OpenClaw on GitHub just for this week ?: https://github.com/openclaw/openclaw/pulse They are trying to avoid that .

Why is that bad?

I guess they want to save on storage, so providing the service without really providing it.

Re: Proposal to prohibit vibe coded projects from being hosted on Sourcehut

#43

Post by warkdarrior »

acedTrex wrote: post #22
chinathrow wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don’t think their concern is “vibecode = bad” but more like they can’t handle the volume. Then they should not be in the business of hosting repos?

"if you cannot handle a 10x load over the historical standard of generally low quality content you should not be hosting repos" A ridiculous take

X serves lots of low-quality content at scale and it's running off Elon's laptop from what I can tell. So why can't these guys do the same?

Re: Proposal to prohibit vibe coded projects from being hosted on Sourcehut

#44

Post by LoganDark »

iamnothere wrote: post #41
LoganDark wrote: post #38

I am sad to see this. Drew personally told me that I should use my real personal email to contribute ("Services like Firefox Relay are not compatible with the spirit of SourceHut. You should be using your real email address with the mailing lists") -- which I don't do because I don't trust others with it, let alone the general public -- so I was already excluded, but I still had some respect for the project as a whol…

Ironically this “real email” policy (was not aware of this btw) is just as unenforceable as a blanket no-LLM policy. Is “joeschmoe354266@icloud.com” your real email or not, and how do you prove it? I don’t even use LLMs, but these puritanical stands are a real turn-off. I got into FOSS because I don’t want anyone telling me what to do, not so I can be the one who tells other people what to do.

I was a bit turned off by Drew's constant talk about "real humans" while I was in discussion with him. He seems to have certain ideas about how he wants his world to work, and while I don't fault him for that on its own, the way he talks about it and pushes it on others feels very exclusive. He says it's just culture, and that it's my responsibility to figure out how to conform to it. I've never really felt part of human culture, and it sucks to be turned away over things like this. All the places where I've fit in have shut down or sold out.

Re: Proposal to prohibit vibe coded projects from being hosted on Sourcehut

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Post by neilv »

When I wanted to get experience with vibe-coding, and build a gen-AI portfolio, among the decisions about what to use it for and how to do it, I very consciously chose the most AI-enthusiastic, popular Git repository service, which is GitHub.

I was a little surprised that some people were outraged that Codeberg (strong ideology/principles) banned generative AI output.

Now that Sourcehut (craft-oriented?) is considering doing similarly, will there be be similar pushback?

Re: Proposal to prohibit vibe coded projects from being hosted on Sourcehut

#46

Post by iamnothere »

LoganDark wrote: post #44
iamnothere wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ironically this “real email” policy (was not aware of this btw) is just as unenforceable as a blanket no-LLM policy. Is “joeschmoe354266@icloud.com” your real email or not, and how do you prove it? I don’t even use LLMs, but these puritanical stands are a real turn-off. I got into FOSS because I don’t want anyone telling me what to do, not so I can be the one who tells other people what to do.

I was a bit turned off by Drew's constant talk about "real humans" while I was in discussion with him. He seems to have certain ideas about how he wants his world to work, and while I don't fault him for that on its own, the way he talks about it and pushes it on others feels very exclusive. He says it's just culture, and that it's my responsibility to figure out how to conform to it. I've never really felt part of h…

I feel the same way.

There’s a big chunk of the FOSS community that has dedicated itself to the cultural left “omnicause,” which seems to require full agreement with the consensus as one of its membership criteria. The thing is, even though I agree with many (but not all) of its tenets on paper, I don’t really agree with the methods used or the insistence on full agreement.

I also just despise ordinary politicking, and prefer slow procedure-driven decision making (like Debian) or projects driven by a visionary leader (like OpenBSD). This makes me an outsider by default. Projects that attract these people tend to engage in vicious struggle sessions any time there’s a serious disagreement.

I think the biggest schism I have with these people is over identity. I prefer to have no identity. Anonymous (or pseudonymous), faceless. They want to enforce a strong identity, even if it’s a constructed identity. It can’t just be about trust, given how often identifiable people break each others’ trust. I suspect it’s about enforcing ingroup signaling as a criteria of membership, in order to make the group look stronger and drive out dissenters.

Re: Proposal to prohibit vibe coded projects from being hosted on Sourcehut

#47

Post by piloto_ciego »

neilv wrote: post #45

When I wanted to get experience with vibe-coding, and build a gen-AI portfolio, among the decisions about what to use it for and how to do it, I very consciously chose the most AI-enthusiastic, popular Git repository service, which is GitHub. I was a little surprised that some people were outraged that Codeberg (strong ideology/principles) banned generative AI output. Now that Sourcehut (craft-oriented?) is consideri…

It's laughable to me, imagine a company saying that they would only host projects that were written in assembly. I mean, "sure" you do you, but I will not be doing business there.

These kinds of ideological purity tests and the weird bureaucracies and little fiefdoms associated with them are anathema the hacker ethos.

Re: Proposal to prohibit vibe coded projects from being hosted on Sourcehut

#48

Post by piloto_ciego »

serial_dev wrote: post #25
jorisw wrote: post #13

1 - Where does vibe coding end and agent-assisted engineering start? Where's the line? 2 - How do you enforce this?

Probably they go by volume... You make 10 commits over the weekend once a month for your fun side project, they won't police it (my assumption they can't and won't). Your slop machines are running day and night, pushing hundreds of commits a day, day and night... You will get on their radar, take a look, then determine "yeah, this person can go somewhere else" .

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Re: Proposal to prohibit vibe coded projects from being hosted on Sourcehut

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Post by orwin »

piloto_ciego wrote: post #47
neilv wrote: post #45

When I wanted to get experience with vibe-coding, and build a gen-AI portfolio, among the decisions about what to use it for and how to do it, I very consciously chose the most AI-enthusiastic, popular Git repository service, which is GitHub. I was a little surprised that some people were outraged that Codeberg (strong ideology/principles) banned generative AI output. Now that Sourcehut (craft-oriented?) is consideri…

It's laughable to me, imagine a company saying that they would only host projects that were written in assembly. I mean, "sure" you do you, but I will not be doing business there. These kinds of ideological purity tests and the weird bureaucracies and little fiefdoms associated with them are anathema the hacker ethos.

Did you check the number of open PRs and commit/hour of vibecoded projects? If course they are banned from small community-funded hosts, they eat compute and data for free. Honestly, my vote would have been to make vibe-coded pay per commit, but I guess introducing money is taboo for those communities

Re: Proposal to prohibit vibe coded projects from being hosted on Sourcehut

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Post by orwin »

piloto_ciego wrote: post #48
serial_dev wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably they go by volume... You make 10 commits over the weekend once a month for your fun side project, they won't police it (my assumption they can't and won't). Your slop machines are running day and night, pushing hundreds of commits a day, day and night... You will get on their radar, take a look, then determine "yeah, this person can go somewhere else" .

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> These folks aren't ok

And people who feel entitled to free compute/storage are way worse.

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