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House passes bill to enact year-round Daylight Saving Time across the country

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Re: House passes bill to enact year-round Daylight Saving Time across the country

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Post by procrastitron »

al_borland wrote: post #17
MilnerRoute wrote: post #9

It still needs to pass the Senate.

The Senate passed in a few years ago[0]... then the House did nothing. Now the House passes is and we have to hope the Senate does something again. If only Congress could get on the same page and do these things at the same time. [0] https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/623...

Passing the senate back then was because of shenanigans; not popularity.

They played tricks with the “unanimous consent” procedure where senators didn’t know it was happening until after it was too late to object. Multiple senators said afterwards that they were opposed to it.

Re: House passes bill to enact year-round Daylight Saving Time across the country

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Post by vlian2088 »

dimes wrote: post #60
vlian2088 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the solution has always been adjusting the school/business hours as seen fit, not adjusting the clocks. DST is one of those things our descendants will be baffled by the sheer stupidity of.

Couldn’t you say the same thing about time zones? Why adjust the clock when you can adjust all aspects of society instead?

that's a reductio ad absurdum, the opposite of which would be adjusting our clocks by some seconds every day so the sun would always rise at 6:00:00 AM. both extremes are equally neat in some way and painfully inconvenient in many others.

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Post by al_borland »

xenadu02 wrote: post #43
al_borland wrote: post #21

I think saying on one time is better than switching back and forth, but we should really stick to Standard time. I know people like it to be light out later in the evenings, but they tried this before in the 1970s and it didn't last long[0]. It turns out not only do people not like it to be dark late into the morning, but it also makes it unsafe for kids going to school. Looking at sunrise and sunset times[1], people…

Well studies show that early school start times are bad for kids anyway so schools should fix their schedules. Kids also naturally like to stay up later these days so more daylight would better match that rather than keeping awake with artificial light. I also dispute that site's claim that everyone starts before 8am. Here on the west coast I'd say most jobs start at 9am unless they are retail. A lot of schools have…

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Re: House passes bill to enact year-round Daylight Saving Time across the country

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Post by jambalaya8 »

al_borland wrote: post #21

I think saying on one time is better than switching back and forth, but we should really stick to Standard time. I know people like it to be light out later in the evenings, but they tried this before in the 1970s and it didn't last long[0]. It turns out not only do people not like it to be dark late into the morning, but it also makes it unsafe for kids going to school. Looking at sunrise and sunset times[1], people…

I am all for my sundial working 12 months a year.

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Post by moi2388 »

encrypted_bird wrote: post #50
EGG_CREAM wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The sun would come up even earlier without dst. It’s just the earth’s tilt that’s causing the sun to come up earlier after spring, nothing we did to the clocks.

So what you're saying is I have it backward. In the summer, without DST, the sun would rise like an hour earlier than with DST. Is that correct?

Yes. You advance the clock 1 hour. So 06:00 becomes 07:00, so the run rises 1 hour later.

So getting rid of DST makes it 06:00 instead of 07:00

Re: House passes bill to enact year-round Daylight Saving Time across the country

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Post by botacode »

dlcarrier wrote: post #28
botacode wrote: post #13

This will save a lot of lives! Hope it passes. The shift is a relic of an older economy and damages folks' lives through worse mental health and driving outcomes [0]. [0]: https://www.coveragecat.com/blog/daylight-saving-time-car-in...

It's not the step change in time that's the gratest danger of DST, it's the entire time people are waking up early, increasing cancer rates and all-cause mortality: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6436388/

Fascinating, had not seen this research thank you for sharing.

Re: House passes bill to enact year-round Daylight Saving Time across the country

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Post by Cider9986 »

mysterydip wrote: post #26
marssaxman wrote: post #14

I'm glad we're agreed that changing the clocks twice a year is a bad idea, but I don't understand why we should abandon Daylight Savings Time by adopting it permanently. What's so wrong with Standard Time? Oh, well: whether we put the clocks back or leave them permanently off-by-one, either is better than changing them around over and over.

The golf industry prefers daylight savings: https://gbej.org/golf-industry-fights-to-preserve-daylight-s...

So do restaurants.
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