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House passes bill to enact year-round Daylight Saving Time across the country

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Re: House passes bill to enact year-round Daylight Saving Time across the country

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Post by gepeake »

> But detractors say it could have economic consequences, particularly for farmers who would have to wrestle with later sunrises.

I genuinely don't understand the "farmer's like DST" argument. Farmer's schedules are dictated by the sun not the time and the sun changes continuously year round. If the argument is about commercial coordination that follows the same logic of being difficult regardless given constantly shifting sunlight, at least without DST there's year-round consistency by the other businesses.

Re: House passes bill to enact year-round Daylight Saving Time across the country

#14

Post by marssaxman »

I'm glad we're agreed that changing the clocks twice a year is a bad idea, but I don't understand why we should abandon Daylight Savings Time by adopting it permanently. What's so wrong with Standard Time?

Oh, well: whether we put the clocks back or leave them permanently off-by-one, either is better than changing them around over and over.

Re: House passes bill to enact year-round Daylight Saving Time across the country

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Post by scheme271 »

gepeake wrote: post #11

> But detractors say it could have economic consequences, particularly for farmers who would have to wrestle with later sunrises. I genuinely don't understand the "farmer's like DST" argument. Farmer's schedules are dictated by the sun not the time and the sun changes continuously year round. If the argument is about commercial coordination that follows the same logic of being difficult regardless given constantly sh…

It also varies depending on where in a time zone you are. The eastern and western sides of a timezone could see sunrise and sunset at significantly different times.

Re: House passes bill to enact year-round Daylight Saving Time across the country

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Post by al_borland »

gepeake wrote: post #11

> But detractors say it could have economic consequences, particularly for farmers who would have to wrestle with later sunrises. I genuinely don't understand the "farmer's like DST" argument. Farmer's schedules are dictated by the sun not the time and the sun changes continuously year round. If the argument is about commercial coordination that follows the same logic of being difficult regardless given constantly sh…

DST was never about farmers, it was to conserve energy for the war effort. Farmers also aren't punching a clock at an office. They can start and end work when they want, based on the weather and daylight that suits the work.

Re: House passes bill to enact year-round Daylight Saving Time across the country

#17

Post by al_borland »

MilnerRoute wrote: post #9

It still needs to pass the Senate.

The Senate passed in a few years ago[0]... then the House did nothing. Now the House passes is and we have to hope the Senate does something again. If only Congress could get on the same page and do these things at the same time.

[0] https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/623...

Re: House passes bill to enact year-round Daylight Saving Time across the country

#18

Post by Jtsummers »

marssaxman wrote: post #14

I'm glad we're agreed that changing the clocks twice a year is a bad idea, but I don't understand why we should abandon Daylight Savings Time by adopting it permanently. What's so wrong with Standard Time? Oh, well: whether we put the clocks back or leave them permanently off-by-one, either is better than changing them around over and over.

The reason for permanent daylight savings (versus permanent standard) is to provide for later sunsets in the winter. By clock time, the sun would be rising later (after 8am in many places) but setting later as well giving people some late afternoon or evening sun. Which is better is ultimately subjective, you get short days in the winter regardless when you live far enough north.

The late sunrise can be more dangerous with a lot more people traveling in the dark (especially if there's mixed vehicle, bike, and pedestrian traffic, like around schools). So that's also something to consider, and a drawback to this particular choice.

Re: House passes bill to enact year-round Daylight Saving Time across the country

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Post by cucumber3732842 »

Jtsummers wrote: post #18
marssaxman wrote: post #14

I'm glad we're agreed that changing the clocks twice a year is a bad idea, but I don't understand why we should abandon Daylight Savings Time by adopting it permanently. What's so wrong with Standard Time? Oh, well: whether we put the clocks back or leave them permanently off-by-one, either is better than changing them around over and over.

The reason for permanent daylight savings (versus permanent standard) is to provide for later sunsets in the winter. By clock time, the sun would be rising later (after 8am in many places) but setting later as well giving people some late afternoon or evening sun. Which is better is ultimately subjective, you get short days in the winter regardless when you live far enough north. The late sunrise can be more dangerou…

Morning commutes are way less worse than afternoon ones so it makes sense to prioritize later daylight.
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