EFF letter to FTC on X consent order [pdf]

Post by numpad0 » Fri, Jul 03, 2026, 4:33 AM UTC

vlian2088 wrote: post #56

numpad0 wrote: post #46

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There was a small number of crazy anime nerds rotating accounts tokenmaxxing Grok image generation to generate anime and cosplayer porn shorts with egregiously low yields and no intention of even publishing the results let alone monetizing, something like look to be below legal ages to some to the point that said some thinks it can be banned as willfully depicting underaged entities, so maybe this is a push coming fr…

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Post by marcus_holmes » Fri, Jul 03, 2026, 6:10 AM UTC

numpad0 wrote: post #52

kg wrote: post #50

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A problem you'd probably run into here is that it would be rather difficult to prove that no real CSAM was involved in the process of making the somehow-okay fake CSAM. Image generation models require training sets, after all. Do the companies training these models have the necessary data and evidence to prove every individual in every training image was over 18? Is generating fake CSAM okay if you trained the model…

> like an adult who looks 'too young' having their freedoms curtailed because any photos or videos would Look Like CSAM - but I don't think they're common enough harms It is extremely common in some parts of the world. Age from visual appearance basically doesn't work inter-culturally, with or without AI, and ... there are people amassing something like 1/3 of the world that look like kids until they must retire from…

Post by xracy » Fri, Jul 03, 2026, 6:20 AM UTC

WatchDog wrote: post #33

delichon wrote: post #5

> Grok AI generated large amounts of CSAM and nonconsensual intimate imagery Grok Imagine has been considerably locked down in terms of intimate imagery over the last few weeks. E.g. Harley Quinn used to be one of the easiest characters to manipulate, with or without any resemblance to Margot Robbie. No more. X still serves up explicit hardcore, and Imagine used to get at least in that neighborhood, but that has been…

Whatever you think about X's image generation models, I don't see how it is related to the petition that the EFF is opposing. Is generation of non-consensual imagery really a privacy issue? If someone publishes a real naked photo of you, that was acquired without your consent, that would be a privacy issue. If someone generates a naked photo of you, even if it looks identical to a real photo, it's not your private da…

Post by meheleventyone » Fri, Jul 03, 2026, 7:16 AM UTC

numpad0 wrote: post #51

kg wrote: post #48

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I would hope we can agree that aggressive policing of anime and cartoons is a bad thing without denying the real existence of CSAM - the actual thing - or denying the bad things that have to occur for it to exist

I never denied the real existence of CSAM, I'm just saying that there are people who use "CSAM" to specifically mean anime and anime related photos and avoids discussion of actually detecting or preventing sexual abuses. I think I've seen it blatantly said on organizational blog posts somewhere that trying to move focus to kids is disingenuous or something.

Post by [deleted] » Fri, Jul 03, 2026, 7:38 AM UTC

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #58

kg wrote: post #50

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A problem you'd probably run into here is that it would be rather difficult to prove that no real CSAM was involved in the process of making the somehow-okay fake CSAM. Image generation models require training sets, after all. Do the companies training these models have the necessary data and evidence to prove every individual in every training image was over 18? Is generating fake CSAM okay if you trained the model…

Hand drawings and photoshopping a minor's face onto an adult body are already illegal. Having a machine do the work automatically doesn't change that.