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EFF letter to FTC on X consent order [pdf]

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Re: EFF letter to FTC on X consent order [pdf]

#32

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But they did resist locking it down, recall Musk making fun of concerns? They clearly don't take governance seriously, its whatever Musk is gravitating to in his filter bubble.

Reddit did the same. Tumblr died when it banned porn. There seems to be a very perverse incentive for social media platforms to be as permissive as possible. Personally, I'd be in favor of banning all sexual content on X, but it really feels like a legislative solution applying to all social media platforms might be the best solution. And yes I realize the slippery slope that could put us on.

The issue wasn't specifically allowing NSFW content, it was allowing anyone to get grok to openly make NSFW deepfakes of anyone without even an attempt at policing things.

Re: EFF letter to FTC on X consent order [pdf]

#33
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> Grok AI generated large amounts of CSAM and nonconsensual intimate imagery Grok Imagine has been considerably locked down in terms of intimate imagery over the last few weeks. E.g. Harley Quinn used to be one of the easiest characters to manipulate, with or without any resemblance to Margot Robbie. No more. X still serves up explicit hardcore, and Imagine used to get at least in that neighborhood, but that has been…

Whatever you think about X's image generation models, I don't see how it is related to the petition that the EFF is opposing.

Is generation of non-consensual imagery really a privacy issue?

If someone publishes a real naked photo of you, that was acquired without your consent, that would be a privacy issue.

If someone generates a naked photo of you, even if it looks identical to a real photo, it's not your private data.

Re: EFF letter to FTC on X consent order [pdf]

#34
post #5

> Grok AI generated large amounts of CSAM and nonconsensual intimate imagery Grok Imagine has been considerably locked down in terms of intimate imagery over the last few weeks. E.g. Harley Quinn used to be one of the easiest characters to manipulate, with or without any resemblance to Margot Robbie. No more. X still serves up explicit hardcore, and Imagine used to get at least in that neighborhood, but that has been…

Whatever you think about X's image generation models, I don't see how it is related to the petition that the EFF is opposing. Is generation of non-consensual imagery really a privacy issue? If someone publishes a real naked photo of you, that was acquired without your consent, that would be a privacy issue. If someone generates a naked photo of you, even if it looks identical to a real photo, it's not your private da…

Is it private data if it was scraped from my social media profile marked private but leaked through a shared party? My expectation was that image would only be shared with those I wanted to see it (form of privacy).

Re: EFF letter to FTC on X consent order [pdf]

#35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whatever you think about X's image generation models, I don't see how it is related to the petition that the EFF is opposing. Is generation of non-consensual imagery really a privacy issue? If someone publishes a real naked photo of you, that was acquired without your consent, that would be a privacy issue. If someone generates a naked photo of you, even if it looks identical to a real photo, it's not your private da…

Is it private data if it was scraped from my social media profile marked private but leaked through a shared party? My expectation was that image would only be shared with those I wanted to see it (form of privacy).

That's fair. Is there any indication as to if xAi trains on private profiles?

Re: EFF letter to FTC on X consent order [pdf]

#36
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> Grok AI generated large amounts of CSAM and nonconsensual intimate imagery Grok Imagine has been considerably locked down in terms of intimate imagery over the last few weeks. E.g. Harley Quinn used to be one of the easiest characters to manipulate, with or without any resemblance to Margot Robbie. No more. X still serves up explicit hardcore, and Imagine used to get at least in that neighborhood, but that has been…

Whatever you think about X's image generation models, I don't see how it is related to the petition that the EFF is opposing. Is generation of non-consensual imagery really a privacy issue? If someone publishes a real naked photo of you, that was acquired without your consent, that would be a privacy issue. If someone generates a naked photo of you, even if it looks identical to a real photo, it's not your private da…

In an ideal world, generated non-consensual imagery should be illegal through invasion of privacy through misappropriation of name or likeness, but I think only a limited number of states have those laws.

Re: EFF letter to FTC on X consent order [pdf]

#37
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> Grok AI generated large amounts of CSAM and nonconsensual intimate imagery Grok Imagine has been considerably locked down in terms of intimate imagery over the last few weeks. E.g. Harley Quinn used to be one of the easiest characters to manipulate, with or without any resemblance to Margot Robbie. No more. X still serves up explicit hardcore, and Imagine used to get at least in that neighborhood, but that has been…

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Re: EFF letter to FTC on X consent order [pdf]

#38
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> Grok AI generated large amounts of CSAM and nonconsensual intimate imagery Grok Imagine has been considerably locked down in terms of intimate imagery over the last few weeks. E.g. Harley Quinn used to be one of the easiest characters to manipulate, with or without any resemblance to Margot Robbie. No more. X still serves up explicit hardcore, and Imagine used to get at least in that neighborhood, but that has been…

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Politely, what on earth point are you trying to make? Whatever it is it really is not coming across well.

Re: EFF letter to FTC on X consent order [pdf]

#39
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The letter is more about privacy, not freedom. They're arguing X is a massive privacy risk and should not get any exemptions.

>EFF's mission is to ensure that technology supports freedom, justice, and innovation for all people of the world. The EFF's mission statement supports them prioritizing freedom and innovation over privacy.

Are you claiming that privacy can never be a prerequisite for freedom and/or justice?

It's trivially easy to see cases where freedom+justice+innovation can conflict with each other (it's even trivially easy to see where they can conflict with each other specifically for innovations involving the reduction of privacy, ye olde panopticon.)

So it's also trivially simple to understand that at some point you're gonna have to pick one over another. And note that freedom is the first word in that list.

Re: EFF letter to FTC on X consent order [pdf]

#40
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> Grok AI generated large amounts of CSAM and nonconsensual intimate imagery Grok Imagine has been considerably locked down in terms of intimate imagery over the last few weeks. E.g. Harley Quinn used to be one of the easiest characters to manipulate, with or without any resemblance to Margot Robbie. No more. X still serves up explicit hardcore, and Imagine used to get at least in that neighborhood, but that has been…

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Yes and we should stop at elsewhere too. " it happened elsewhere n times" is a terrible excuse for inaction.
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