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European ISPs Want Rightsholders Held Accountable for Overblocking Damage

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Re: European ISPs Want Rightsholders Held Accountable for Overblocking Damage

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> Also, somehow small towns always find money available for soccer related stuff (like building stadiums, events, etc.) but there is no money for improving healthcare or building parks. Bread and circuses. Whatever it takes to suppress the instinctual nationalistic ambitions of the people by redirecting their spirits and energy into /dev/null

Is it always nationalistic?

Can also be tribal.

Re: European ISPs Want Rightsholders Held Accountable for Overblocking Damage

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Isnt taking down illegal content censorship? If not you can get around the absolute statement “censorship is always bad” by just making more things illegal. I think censorship is so clearly good in some scenarios that we would never think to even debate it. Like child porn.

Everyone into childporn use uncensored models/sites deeply hidden from the public. Every single part of censorship is having a bad effect on the common world where normal people try to operate normally. The ones caught at this levels are not the interesting ones you want to catch.

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soon with the age verification laws, the mass surveillance laws coming we'll have a great wall of Europe ... my guess is that they're following the Russian / Chinese model. banning of VPN is a matter of time. then the days of free or anonymous internet is behind us.

you might have more success by thinking about things that are actually happening or about to happen instead of speculating so far. We already have a great wall of Europe, it's implemented on the US side of the ocean by websites that are afraid to somehow get in GDPR trouble or (more likely) want to put pressure to repeal GDPR. Did you know you can do that, by the way? You can block your website in Bumfuckistan citing…

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Re: European ISPs Want Rightsholders Held Accountable for Overblocking Damage

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... Out of curiosity, why did they close the street? Was it to turn it into public walking space? (I'm trying to imagine a reason and coming up short...)

Sometimes places close streets for traffic control. The 'main' roads end up getting backed up and then people naturally start drifting over to a bunch of side-roads to get to the destination. This then causes further traffic issues as the locations where side-roads intersect the main roads get backed up as people on the side roads try to merge into the main ones. A solution ends up being closing some side roads to fu…

Also the sideroads intersecting each other usually don't have traffic lights which is good for low traffic but bad for high traffic.

What they would do in that case is close off one the roads so traffic flows smoothly through the other one

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Isnt taking down illegal content censorship? If not you can get around the absolute statement “censorship is always bad” by just making more things illegal. I think censorship is so clearly good in some scenarios that we would never think to even debate it. Like child porn.

Everyone into childporn use uncensored models/sites deeply hidden from the public. Every single part of censorship is having a bad effect on the common world where normal people try to operate normally. The ones caught at this levels are not the interesting ones you want to catch.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Handley

Hentai depicting animated/drawn fake children means that 0 children were harmed, thus CSAM rules do not apply.

My guess is that slop generated CSAM images are NOT 'child sex assault' in any way. Are they icky? Uh, hell yeah. But it seems similar to hentai here. There's nobody being sexually assaulted. Hell, there is nobody at all - just a large multi-billion array of floats.

Re: European ISPs Want Rightsholders Held Accountable for Overblocking Damage

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It's a wide street and they installed a screen. I guess that's not something that you can set-up for every match so they decided to leave it up the whole time. The problem I have with it is not that my street was closed. It's that soccer always gets all the preferential treatment. Why not set that up for badminton or tennis? We have spectacular players but soccer seems to be the only important sport

Having had this discussion many times, the conclusion we often come to is that part of the popular success of football is the scarcity and simplicity. In most sports, you have a world championship every year, meanwhile, a World Cup happens only every four years. When you have screens and stuff setup by the city to follow a World Cup, the crowds are not made of die hard football fans, the majority of people there are…

Most popular sports have world cups every four years. Basketball, cricket, rugby, volleyball, field hockey WCs are all held every four years. Some others like handball are held every two years.

Cricket gets the same level of crazy support in South Asia as football does in most of the world. But the reason football gets such support in most of the world is simply because most people consider it the best sport, or the "beautiful game". It is one of the most well designed sports, having the fewest number of unnatural rules - only one in fact (offside). It can also be played with basically any number of players from 2-20 in fields of any size, so it's really popular for normal people. The skills floor is reasonably low, but the skill ceiling is very very high.

So, then it flows naturally into social actions like blocking streets.

Re: European ISPs Want Rightsholders Held Accountable for Overblocking Damage

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post #45

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It's a wide street and they installed a screen. I guess that's not something that you can set-up for every match so they decided to leave it up the whole time. The problem I have with it is not that my street was closed. It's that soccer always gets all the preferential treatment. Why not set that up for badminton or tennis? We have spectacular players but soccer seems to be the only important sport

Having had this discussion many times, the conclusion we often come to is that part of the popular success of football is the scarcity and simplicity. In most sports, you have a world championship every year, meanwhile, a World Cup happens only every four years. When you have screens and stuff setup by the city to follow a World Cup, the crowds are not made of die hard football fans, the majority of people there are…

> the crowds are not made of die hard football fans, the majority of people there are normies that don't give a hoot about football during the 47 other months of a WC loop

I think you heavily underestimate how much normie men care about football here. Most coffee chats with my co-workers devolve into football if they last long enough, and around three out of five of my coworkers under 30 play football with friends every now and then. I'm the only man at my extended family which doesn't care about football, and I need to look amongst my most geek friends to find some men that don't either.

Now, most won't be die hard football fans, but they are definitely into football.

Re: European ISPs Want Rightsholders Held Accountable for Overblocking Damage

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> Also, somehow small towns always find money available for soccer related stuff (like building stadiums, events, etc.) but there is no money for improving healthcare or building parks. I mean Texas can hold a candle there. Nearly 30 high school football stadiums with 10,000+ capacity (and 20,000 in a few cases), built for amounts sometimes exceeding $50M each. Some of the stadiums are shared with track and field etc…

To take the other side, my understanding is in the US there aren't any "second division" teams. You've got 350 million people and about 30 professional American football teams, or 10 million people per team That would be the equivalent of having the top 6 teams in England's Premier League -- which based on last season would be Arsenal, Manchester City, Manchester United, Aston Villa, Liverpool and Bournemouth* Colleg…

> To take the other side, my understanding is in the US there aren't any "second division" teams. You've got 350 million people and about 30 professional American football teams, or 10 million people per team

There are - but popularity is vastly different. My understanding is that minor league baseball has a notable following, basketball is smaller but there are still some passionate fans, and that football is mostly "keeping players warm".

There's also the "D1 College" as a "second division" of sorts.

Re: European ISPs Want Rightsholders Held Accountable for Overblocking Damage

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Isnt taking down illegal content censorship? If not you can get around the absolute statement “censorship is always bad” by just making more things illegal. I think censorship is so clearly good in some scenarios that we would never think to even debate it. Like child porn.

Just to be sure to point out the obvious here, I think the main police effort should be on catching the sources of such material. There is the root problem. In a world were we’re ruled by Epstein friends, this is probably not gonna happen though

Don't blame the users, blame the dealers?

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post #65

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Everyone into childporn use uncensored models/sites deeply hidden from the public. Every single part of censorship is having a bad effect on the common world where normal people try to operate normally. The ones caught at this levels are not the interesting ones you want to catch.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Handley Hentai depicting animated/drawn fake children means that 0 children were harmed, thus CSAM rules do not apply. My guess is that slop generated CSAM images are NOT 'child sex assault' in any way. Are they icky? Uh, hell yeah. But it seems similar to hentai here. There's nobody being sexually assaulted. Hell, there is nobody at all - just a large multi-billion arra…

what happens when the generated image is generated to look like someone specific?
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