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European ISPs Want Rightsholders Held Accountable for Overblocking Damage

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Re: European ISPs Want Rightsholders Held Accountable for Overblocking Damage

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Post by forgotaccount3 »

dummydummy1234 wrote: post #4
gonzalohm wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the US there is lobbying. In Spain there is soccer. I have seen crazy things done just for soccer. The town I used to live in closed my street for a few weeks during one world cup. I wasn't able to use my garage during all that time. Also, somehow small towns always find money available for soccer related stuff (like building stadiums, events, etc.) but there is no money for improving healthcare or building parks.…

... Out of curiosity, why did they close the street? Was it to turn it into public walking space? (I'm trying to imagine a reason and coming up short...)

Sometimes places close streets for traffic control.

The 'main' roads end up getting backed up and then people naturally start drifting over to a bunch of side-roads to get to the destination. This then causes further traffic issues as the locations where side-roads intersect the main roads get backed up as people on the side roads try to merge into the main ones.

A solution ends up being closing some side roads to funnel the temporary traffic into the main thoroughfare while still allowing some local traffic through the non-closed side roads at the cost of some side roads being inaccessible.

Re: European ISPs Want Rightsholders Held Accountable for Overblocking Damage

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Post by bradley13 »

It's not just Europe. DMCA takedowns in the US: no liability for taking down innocent content.

Really, it comes down to this: censorship is bad. Always.

If someone violates the law, get a court judgement. With the judgement in hand, take down that specific material.

Too much work? Tough...

Re: European ISPs Want Rightsholders Held Accountable for Overblocking Damage

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Post by nonethewiser »

bradley13 wrote: post #12

It's not just Europe. DMCA takedowns in the US: no liability for taking down innocent content. Really, it comes down to this: censorship is bad. Always. If someone violates the law, get a court judgement. With the judgement in hand, take down that specific material. Too much work? Tough...

Isnt taking down illegal content censorship?

If not you can get around the absolute statement “censorship is always bad” by just making more things illegal.

I think censorship is so clearly good in some scenarios that we would never think to even debate it. Like child porn.

Re: European ISPs Want Rightsholders Held Accountable for Overblocking Damage

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Post by username_my1 »

bradley13 wrote: post #12

It's not just Europe. DMCA takedowns in the US: no liability for taking down innocent content. Really, it comes down to this: censorship is bad. Always. If someone violates the law, get a court judgement. With the judgement in hand, take down that specific material. Too much work? Tough...

soon with the age verification laws, the mass surveillance laws coming

we'll have a great wall of Europe ... my guess is that they're following the Russian / Chinese model.

banning of VPN is a matter of time.

then the days of free or anonymous internet is behind us.

Re: European ISPs Want Rightsholders Held Accountable for Overblocking Damage

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Post by gonzalohm »

dummydummy1234 wrote: post #4
gonzalohm wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the US there is lobbying. In Spain there is soccer. I have seen crazy things done just for soccer. The town I used to live in closed my street for a few weeks during one world cup. I wasn't able to use my garage during all that time. Also, somehow small towns always find money available for soccer related stuff (like building stadiums, events, etc.) but there is no money for improving healthcare or building parks.…

... Out of curiosity, why did they close the street? Was it to turn it into public walking space? (I'm trying to imagine a reason and coming up short...)

It's a wide street and they installed a screen. I guess that's not something that you can set-up for every match so they decided to leave it up the whole time.

The problem I have with it is not that my street was closed. It's that soccer always gets all the preferential treatment. Why not set that up for badminton or tennis? We have spectacular players but soccer seems to be the only important sport

Re: European ISPs Want Rightsholders Held Accountable for Overblocking Damage

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Post by gonzalohm »

greenavocado wrote: post #6
gonzalohm wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the US there is lobbying. In Spain there is soccer. I have seen crazy things done just for soccer. The town I used to live in closed my street for a few weeks during one world cup. I wasn't able to use my garage during all that time. Also, somehow small towns always find money available for soccer related stuff (like building stadiums, events, etc.) but there is no money for improving healthcare or building parks.…

> Also, somehow small towns always find money available for soccer related stuff (like building stadiums, events, etc.) but there is no money for improving healthcare or building parks. Bread and circuses. Whatever it takes to suppress the instinctual nationalistic ambitions of the people by redirecting their spirits and energy into /dev/null

Those are my thoughts too. I believe there was a world cup or euro cup during the 2008 crisis, which Spain suffered specially badly. All countries were getting out of the "hole" except Spain, but hey we won the euro cup so suddenly our country was the best and everyone forgot about it

Re: European ISPs Want Rightsholders Held Accountable for Overblocking Damage

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Post by throwawayffffas »

It's their fault to begin with, they should have not caved to blocking anyone, they should have stood firm or offer up the 'Oh no we couldn't possibly figure out how to do that, it's entirely too complicated, you wouldn't understand.' excuse all other tech companies put out whenever they are told to do something trivial.

But hopefully this is the beginning of them growing a backbone.

Re: European ISPs Want Rightsholders Held Accountable for Overblocking Damage

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Post by qweqwe14 »

nonethewiser wrote: post #13
bradley13 wrote: post #12

It's not just Europe. DMCA takedowns in the US: no liability for taking down innocent content. Really, it comes down to this: censorship is bad. Always. If someone violates the law, get a court judgement. With the judgement in hand, take down that specific material. Too much work? Tough...

Isnt taking down illegal content censorship? If not you can get around the absolute statement “censorship is always bad” by just making more things illegal. I think censorship is so clearly good in some scenarios that we would never think to even debate it. Like child porn.

How do you know if something is child porn?
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