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BYD is bringing its 5-min 'Flash' electric car charging to Canada

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Re: BYD is bringing its 5-min 'Flash' electric car charging to Canada

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Post by cogman10 »

bluGill wrote: post #53
coldpie wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Maybe there's still time? I don't know that there is. It takes ages to develop an EV-focused platform, and the lines to manufacture it. Tesla is the only American manufacturer that has already done that work, and they're circling the drain. Aside from them, there's exactly one decent US-owned EV on the market, the Chevrolet Bolt. All of the top-of-the-line EVs are Korean or Chinese, and the 2nd tiers are all Europe…

> there's exactly one decent US-owned EV on the market, the Chevrolet Bolt. I drive a Chevrolet Blazer EV. Test drove a Equinox EV as well. There is the silverado EV as well. Chrysler and Ford are mostly working on plug in hybrids which is 90% of the advantages of an EV for those who charge at home (if people will is debated). Which is to say the big-3 car makers all have EV or close enough EV cars and are making mor…

A major problem is that dealers hate carrying and selling EVs. If you want to get these vehicles you either have to special order them or you have to buy used.

I think a big portion of why Tesla is so prominent is because it's relatively easy to get a Tesla almost anywhere.

*edit* I'm out of date. It looks like the dealers around me are all stocking EVs now.

Re: BYD is bringing its 5-min 'Flash' electric car charging to Canada

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Post by campbell000 »

Grombobulous wrote: post #59
embedding-shape wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Isn’t it ironic? Don’t ya think? Why is that ironic? The US talks about stealing/preventing others from stealing stuff from them too, not sure why this would be surprising.

That was the irony, that the US accuses China of stealing IP with the assumption that US IP is superior. Now the tables have turned and China is the country with the superior IP.

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Re: BYD is bringing its 5-min 'Flash' electric car charging to Canada

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Post by giarc »

pjc50 wrote: post #40
ck2 wrote: post #39

There is a huge startup opportunity, steal this idea: US Governement doesn't allow BYD imports BUT you can lease a car from Canada for a year in US So lease BYD a year at a time with Canadian plates, etc. to US drivers

Some US politicians were proposing a total ban on allowing cars of Chinese origin into the US, which is rather extreme. They don't want to risk US nationals seeing them and wanting them.

https://driving.ca/auto-news/driver-info/proposed-us-bill-ta...

Re: BYD is bringing its 5-min 'Flash' electric car charging to Canada

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Post by embedding-shape »

Grombobulous wrote: post #59
embedding-shape wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Isn’t it ironic? Don’t ya think? Why is that ironic? The US talks about stealing/preventing others from stealing stuff from them too, not sure why this would be surprising.

That was the irony, that the US accuses China of stealing IP with the assumption that US IP is superior. Now the tables have turned and China is the country with the superior IP.

Both countries have been accusing each other of stealing technologies since forever, nothing here is new. No tables have been turned, unless you've been sleeping under a rock for the last three decades.

Re: BYD is bringing its 5-min 'Flash' electric car charging to Canada

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Post by mjmsmith »

bluGill wrote: post #56
gpm wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Rubio/newsome/shapiro etc will all keep the full pressure of all allies in them, potentially kicking them out of places they already sell. I sincerely doubt the US is capable of this. Trump has lit your soft power on fire. Trying to get people to give up a superior and cheaper product is an extremely large ask.

The leaders there know that China isn't exactly a friend of liberal western democracy. They have won the current round of propoganda, but that doesn't mean they are anyone's friend either.

Still, if you're going to buy a car from an enemy of liberal western democracy, you might as well buy BYD over Tesla.

Re: BYD is bringing its 5-min 'Flash' electric car charging to Canada

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Post by gpm »

bluGill wrote: post #56
gpm wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Rubio/newsome/shapiro etc will all keep the full pressure of all allies in them, potentially kicking them out of places they already sell. I sincerely doubt the US is capable of this. Trump has lit your soft power on fire. Trying to get people to give up a superior and cheaper product is an extremely large ask.

The leaders there know that China isn't exactly a friend of liberal western democracy. They have won the current round of propoganda, but that doesn't mean they are anyone's friend either.

> They have won the current round of propoganda

No, they have won the current round of foreign relations. Threats to invade numerous allies. Blatant war crimes like murdering random people on boats. Violating established and signed trade deals left right and centre. Openly soliciting and accepting bribes. Kidnapping foreign countries citizens and holding them in inhumane camps. None of this is a matter of "propaganda" - it's a matter of actual actions the US is taking.

> The leaders there know that China isn't exactly a friend of liberal western democracy.

Indeed, but this has never been a prerequisite for trade with liberal western democracies. See for example the gulf monarchies we trade with.

It is pretty much a prerequisite for extraordinary actions like successfully asking liberal western democracies to restrict trade though, and the US no longer meets it...

Re: BYD is bringing its 5-min 'Flash' electric car charging to Canada

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Post by zulux »

bluGill wrote: post #56
gpm wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Rubio/newsome/shapiro etc will all keep the full pressure of all allies in them, potentially kicking them out of places they already sell. I sincerely doubt the US is capable of this. Trump has lit your soft power on fire. Trying to get people to give up a superior and cheaper product is an extremely large ask.

The leaders there know that China isn't exactly a friend of liberal western democracy. They have won the current round of propoganda, but that doesn't mean they are anyone's friend either.

Agreed!

The CCP still hasn't figured out that we'll take their money and still hate them.

Western civilization has been sneaky and duplicitous for centuries, and we're good at it.

Re: BYD is bringing its 5-min 'Flash' electric car charging to Canada

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Post by redsocksfan45 »

giarc wrote: post #60
pjc50 wrote: post #58

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Long-term reviews are available: https://driveauthority.com/is-byd-reliable-after-5-years/ https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/byd/dolphin-surf/long-t... https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/byd/atto-3/long-term-re... They're now quite popular in the UK, along with Jaecoo, although not a huge number of them are pure-EV. Since I have been in the market for a car recently, I've been carspotting to see what's actually…

Canadians also hate seagulls, so I wonder if they will do the same (although I'm not sure the Seagull was intended to come to Canada).

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Re: BYD is bringing its 5-min 'Flash' electric car charging to Canada

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Post by pjc50 »

cogman10 wrote: post #61
bluGill wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> there's exactly one decent US-owned EV on the market, the Chevrolet Bolt. I drive a Chevrolet Blazer EV. Test drove a Equinox EV as well. There is the silverado EV as well. Chrysler and Ford are mostly working on plug in hybrids which is 90% of the advantages of an EV for those who charge at home (if people will is debated). Which is to say the big-3 car makers all have EV or close enough EV cars and are making mor…

A major problem is that dealers hate carrying and selling EVs. If you want to get these vehicles you either have to special order them or you have to buy used. I think a big portion of why Tesla is so prominent is because it's relatively easy to get a Tesla almost anywhere. *edit* I'm out of date. It looks like the dealers around me are all stocking EVs now.

I wonder how US-specific this phenomenon is. UK dealerships don't seem to have a problem stocking them, and have been quick to pick up BYD franchises.
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