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Why modern parents feel more sleep deprived than our ancestors did

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Re: Why modern parents feel more sleep deprived than our ancestors did

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Post by denkmoon »

doix wrote: post #39
gchamonlive wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The modern model is totally unsustainable/not scalable, but I'm not sure what the alternative should be. It's by design. Kids don't produce capital for the elites. We peasants aren't supposed to have kids, just waste away grinding so that those in power can accumulate more power, because they can pay others and have as many kids as they want, but we from the middle class will struggle with one or two. It's a form o…

> Kids don't produce capital for the elites. Kids eventually grow up and "start producing capital". It's definitely beneficial for the "elite" in the long term for people to have kids.

Have you ever seen an "elite" think beyond the edge of the quarter? Lords of the Ashes all.

Re: Why modern parents feel more sleep deprived than our ancestors did

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Post by casey2 »

adverbly wrote: post #24

It's not the actual sleep. It's that parenting is exhausting. I could do physical labor for hours. Code straight for hours. But when I have to look after the 2 kids for 3 hours solo I'm totally exhausted. And I don't mean sit them in front of a TV - but actually try and feed them, change diapers, clean up after their messes, keep them entertained... Weekends are suddenly way more exhausting than weekdays. And then th…

Totally the opposite. Doing even just 3 hours of constant physical labor over a few weeks and my joints are aching, lost mobility in my right foot. Looking after kids is qualitatively easier.

Another part is that most modern parents are subject to predatory lending on a scale that would previously be unfathomable.

Re: Why modern parents feel more sleep deprived than our ancestors did

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Post by mothballed »

cullumsmith wrote: post #15
wiseowise wrote: post #11

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> on average Not sure where are those lucky ones, but I've met half a dozen parents that became literal zombies during the first years because of a lack of sleep. From what they've reported, 2 hours is a lucky night. It does get better later on, after 2(!) years.

I have five children and find this very difficult to believe. Even the "worst" of it (age 0-3 months) was never anything close to that bad.

None of your kids had colic? Every caretaker (experienced parents) that tried to releive us completely lost their mind within hours. And it never ends, for months.

Re: Why modern parents feel more sleep deprived than our ancestors did

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Post by cindyllm »

bethekidyouwant wrote: post #43
pizzafeelsright wrote: post #32

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You got two 'village' responses which I fully disagree with because a dozen reasons. The village is not going to help you change diapers, feed the children, or do anything except have the children play together. I do not find parenting that difficult because I parent differently. The alternative: Teach them to entertain themselves. They clean up their own messes. I have the kiddos do tasks with me. Babies are easy en…

I’m not even sure the premise is correct, what other complaint is socially acceptable wrt kids than “im tired” its just what one says when parenting is feeling like a drag. Honesty when the kids are laughing and everything is going smoothly, no one is “tired”

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Re: Why modern parents feel more sleep deprived than our ancestors did

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Post by pfannkuchen »

casey2 wrote: post #62
adverbly wrote: post #24

It's not the actual sleep. It's that parenting is exhausting. I could do physical labor for hours. Code straight for hours. But when I have to look after the 2 kids for 3 hours solo I'm totally exhausted. And I don't mean sit them in front of a TV - but actually try and feed them, change diapers, clean up after their messes, keep them entertained... Weekends are suddenly way more exhausting than weekdays. And then th…

Totally the opposite. Doing even just 3 hours of constant physical labor over a few weeks and my joints are aching, lost mobility in my right foot. Looking after kids is qualitatively easier. Another part is that most modern parents are subject to predatory lending on a scale that would previously be unfathomable.

Even the ones who manage to understand and avoid the predatory lending are still subject to competing with everyone else's speculated future earnings. Mortgages in their modern form should absolutely be made illegal as they bid up land prices to the detriment of almost everybody.

Re: Why modern parents feel more sleep deprived than our ancestors did

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Post by yapyap »

cullumsmith wrote: post #49
adverbly wrote: post #24

It's not the actual sleep. It's that parenting is exhausting. I could do physical labor for hours. Code straight for hours. But when I have to look after the 2 kids for 3 hours solo I'm totally exhausted. And I don't mean sit them in front of a TV - but actually try and feed them, change diapers, clean up after their messes, keep them entertained... Weekends are suddenly way more exhausting than weekdays. And then th…

Maybe counterintuitive, but I've found that having more kids actually makes some things easier. With 4+ children, the kids almost never come to us for entertainment. They form their own little society and find tons of ways to play and interact with each other. The little ones are just as likely to ask one of their older siblings to read them a story as they are to ask a parent, for example. Sure, things like laundry…

Isn’t that just parentifying one or more of your children and passing it off as a solution because it’s easier for you?

Re: Why modern parents feel more sleep deprived than our ancestors did

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Post by mschuster91 »

doix wrote: post #39
gchamonlive wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The modern model is totally unsustainable/not scalable, but I'm not sure what the alternative should be. It's by design. Kids don't produce capital for the elites. We peasants aren't supposed to have kids, just waste away grinding so that those in power can accumulate more power, because they can pay others and have as many kids as they want, but we from the middle class will struggle with one or two. It's a form o…

> Kids don't produce capital for the elites. Kids eventually grow up and "start producing capital". It's definitely beneficial for the "elite" in the long term for people to have kids.

> It's definitely beneficial for the "elite" in the long term for people to have kids.

Why? The elites bank on AI and robots doing everything in the future. The plebs have no place in the visions of Musk, Thiel, Altman and the rest of the wankers.

Re: Why modern parents feel more sleep deprived than our ancestors did

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Post by j45 »

yapyap wrote: post #67
cullumsmith wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe counterintuitive, but I've found that having more kids actually makes some things easier. With 4+ children, the kids almost never come to us for entertainment. They form their own little society and find tons of ways to play and interact with each other. The little ones are just as likely to ask one of their older siblings to read them a story as they are to ask a parent, for example. Sure, things like laundry…

Isn’t that just parentifying one or more of your children and passing it off as a solution because it’s easier for you?

Not always, Children always wanting an adult to run a circus for them also doesn't let them discover creativity through bordeom.

ids who are of a similar age can be guided to have activities they enjoy playing togeter.

Parentification is having to be responsible for the feelings and actions of an adult.

Re: Why modern parents feel more sleep deprived than our ancestors did

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Post by j45 »

tayo42 wrote: post #55
cullumsmith wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe counterintuitive, but I've found that having more kids actually makes some things easier. With 4+ children, the kids almost never come to us for entertainment. They form their own little society and find tons of ways to play and interact with each other. The little ones are just as likely to ask one of their older siblings to read them a story as they are to ask a parent, for example. Sure, things like laundry…

Great, so 5 more years of exhaustion lol

Nothing gets easier in life, you just get better.
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