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California leaders report four to six weeks worth of gasoline and diesel supply

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Re: California leaders report four to six weeks worth of gasoline and diesel supply

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the entire economy of California being dependent on how Iran is feeling on a given day is crazy work

The US is an exporter of oil, so no US state will run out. However, you do pay the market price.

Yes it is a net exporter of oil, but not oil for gasoline. The use is a net importer of oil used for gasoline. That's because oil companies have chosen to not make the investments needed to refine domestic oil. We have to import for that.

Re: California leaders report four to six weeks worth of gasoline and diesel supply

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the entire economy of California being dependent on how Iran is feeling on a given day is crazy work

The US is an exporter of oil, so no US state will run out. However, you do pay the market price.

The article mentions that California no longer is. Due to closures it is now a net importer of oil.

Re: California leaders report four to six weeks worth of gasoline and diesel supply

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I'm a bit perplexed on this one-- Yes, we refine our own blend of gasoline, but it's based on market oil -- nothing about the war we started with Iran impacts our domestic refining capability. Also, oil takes longer to get from Iran to the west coast than to the east coast. Shouldn't the east coast be the first to notice decreased shipments, because the west coast essentially has a stock still in transit for longer?…

CA’s requirement that it gets its own blend of gas is combined with how its openly hostile towards its ever decreasing refineries and that it is impossible for a new refinery to ever open makes it’s supplies absurdly limited

California learned that lesson the hard way. Have you been in the city during a bad smog day?

Re: California leaders report four to six weeks worth of gasoline and diesel supply

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What this article fails to mention is that there are also a record number of empty tankers routed to the US refineries right now, with the intention of shifting still-relatively cheap US oil products to overseas markets where the prices are already much higher and shortages have already hit. The effects of the Iran war on the US economy will really start to kick in over the next several months.

California also needs a special blend that is only required in California (CARBOB). A lot of that is refined outside of the US, because there is not the capacity domestically. Cali could immediately have more fuel and cheaper prices by dropping their special requirements.

Re: California leaders report four to six weeks worth of gasoline and diesel supply

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah especially given that California is a leader in renewable energy sources.

Renewables is for electricity. Oil is used for a lot of things that electricity can't replace, or not yet

Much of what fossil fuels are used for is to refine fossil fuels, a use that we don't need to entirely replace.

Re: California leaders report four to six weeks worth of gasoline and diesel supply

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What this article fails to mention is that there are also a record number of empty tankers routed to the US refineries right now, with the intention of shifting still-relatively cheap US oil products to overseas markets where the prices are already much higher and shortages have already hit. The effects of the Iran war on the US economy will really start to kick in over the next several months.

I suppose it's too much to ask that oil produced in the US be used for the US people?

Re: California leaders report four to six weeks worth of gasoline and diesel supply

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What this article fails to mention is that there are also a record number of empty tankers routed to the US refineries right now, with the intention of shifting still-relatively cheap US oil products to overseas markets where the prices are already much higher and shortages have already hit. The effects of the Iran war on the US economy will really start to kick in over the next several months.

In such a situation - especially heading into the midterms - an export ban may be increasingly probable.

This is way outside of my area of expertise, but I thought US export oil was not fungible with what we consume.

Re: California leaders report four to six weeks worth of gasoline and diesel supply

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What this article fails to mention is that there are also a record number of empty tankers routed to the US refineries right now, with the intention of shifting still-relatively cheap US oil products to overseas markets where the prices are already much higher and shortages have already hit. The effects of the Iran war on the US economy will really start to kick in over the next several months.

In such a situation - especially heading into the midterms - an export ban may be increasingly probable.

An export ban wouldn’t really help much: US oil production is (now) predominantly light crude, while US refinery capacity is oriented towards heavy crude from the gulf or Venezuela.

We produce more oil than we use, but we can’t refine it all.

Re: California leaders report four to six weeks worth of gasoline and diesel supply

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People will blame climate policy on this but this is evidence that we've failed to move off our fossil fuel dependency.

It is funny that propaganda has somehow convinced conservatives, people who used to idealize self reliance and independence from government dependencies, to move away from solar and EVs. A EV and a home solar setup with a large battery bank, is the ultimate in self reliance. I remember even 10 years ago you'd see the occasional right leaning homesteader talking about the benefits of being off grid with a solar setup.…

I'm conservative and own an EV and ICE truck. I know many conservatives with Tesla's. I have solar and a propane generator as backups.

I think the propaganda would be whatever said we're all against it, that's untrue. We just want both, no gas bans.

Re: California leaders report four to six weeks worth of gasoline and diesel supply

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I'm a bit perplexed on this one-- Yes, we refine our own blend of gasoline, but it's based on market oil -- nothing about the war we started with Iran impacts our domestic refining capability. Also, oil takes longer to get from Iran to the west coast than to the east coast. Shouldn't the east coast be the first to notice decreased shipments, because the west coast essentially has a stock still in transit for longer?…

2 refineries in California were closed over the last 2 years leading to a 17% reduction in total refining capacity.

Per the article, the type of fuel needed by California standards is produced at refineries in India, South Korea and Washington.

https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=65704

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