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Re: Anonymous takes down over 550 Israeli sites, wipes databases

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Post by kamaal »

aes256 wrote: post #16
guelo wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well it's not as if the heavy bombing of a densely populated defenseless area is healing anything either.

Heavy bombing of densely populated areas? It's rather simple. As a general rule, civilians in the Gaza Strip know if they are near a target. You don't live next to a rocket manufacturing, storage or launch site without knowing about it. The IDF have gone to great pains to warn civilians not to go near these sites, or to mix with combatants. They send text messages, drop leaflets, even make phone calls with recorded m…

As per http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza

There are more than 1.5 million people living on the 45 km^2 stretch of land. Are you seriously asking them to run? Run to where? Sea? or towards the sky?

No wonder it has been compared to a concentration camp or an open air prison.

Classic victim blaming to say the least.

Drop leaflets and then get a free permit to bomb them. If some should die, tell them you are the good guys and people who died are evil for dying from your actions.

Re: Anonymous takes down over 550 Israeli sites, wipes databases

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Post by AtlasLion »

eitland wrote: post #48
guelo wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are not disputing that they are bombing a densely populated area. You are saying that they have to take precautions because they are bombing a heavily populated area.

Still they are rather humane compared to their enemy who is actively targeting civilians. And have been doing that so for years. What is your solution to this conflict that doesn't include wiping the only national state for the Israeli people, created by UN, off the map? Hamas has been quite clear there will be no lasting peace until that has happened as far as I know. (Full disclosure: I don't read arabic so I'm hav…

sorry, but when you look at civilian death rate and compare both sides the story is very different. whatever measures the IDF claims it is taking, it clearly isn't working.

Edit: As for a solution, read "the General's Son" by Miko Peled. The Son of an Israeli General http://mikopeled.com/category/the-generals-son-by-miko-peled...

Re: Anonymous takes down over 550 Israeli sites, wipes databases

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Post by kamaal »

eitland wrote: post #48
guelo wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are not disputing that they are bombing a densely populated area. You are saying that they have to take precautions because they are bombing a heavily populated area.

Still they are rather humane compared to their enemy who is actively targeting civilians. And have been doing that so for years. What is your solution to this conflict that doesn't include wiping the only national state for the Israeli people, created by UN, off the map? Hamas has been quite clear there will be no lasting peace until that has happened as far as I know. (Full disclosure: I don't read arabic so I'm hav…

Both the parties are to blame here. Killings can't be justified no matter who does it. Its has to stop, terrorizing civilians in large cities is as much a cowardly act as much sending F-16s to bomb a helpless crowd.

Re: Anonymous takes down over 550 Israeli sites, wipes databases

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Post by pyre »

aes256 wrote: post #47
guelo wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it's so easy how could this BBC reporter have avoided his house being hit and his baby killed? http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/11/15...

It's a large-scale armed conflict. Civilians are going to get caught in the crossfire. Alas, it's a strange sort of conflict in which one side deliberately targets civilians, while the other does everything humanly possible to avoid them.

You said:

  > As a civilian, it is not difficult to avoid those
  > targets.
Then you said:

  > It's a large-scale armed conflict. Civilians are
  > going to get caught in the crossfire.
If it's not so hard for civilians to avoid these areas, then why is it inevitable that they be caught in the crossfire?

The idea that Israel is somehow free of 'blood on their hands' because they try to warn people to leave the area for the bombing doesn't make sense. Both sides have plenty of blood on their hands, yet they continue to butt heads using the same tactics over and over again as if something is going to change. Unless they change tactics it's just a war of attrition at this point.

Re: Anonymous takes down over 550 Israeli sites, wipes databases

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Post by rdtsc »

aes256 wrote: post #2

1) These script kiddies are not Anonymous; 2) The majority of the sites affected appear to be hosted with a single company; 3) If any of the deleted databases held important information, there will be backups. Edit: 4) The leaked passwords appear to be site-specific; all are six characters long, around a third of them are '123456'

> 1) These script kiddies are not Anonymous;

So what are their names then ? /s

Re: Anonymous takes down over 550 Israeli sites, wipes databases

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Post by pyre »

lhnn wrote: post #36
guelo wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well it's not as if the heavy bombing of a densely populated defenseless area is healing anything either.

If Toronto were launching rockets at Detroit, I think the US would strike a staging area, even if some civilians were in the way.

Extrapolate this over decades. Obviously striking the staging areas isn't having the intended effect because the conflict continues.

Re: Anonymous takes down over 550 Israeli sites, wipes databases

#67

Post by yonilevy »

pyre wrote: post #59
eitland wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Still they are rather humane compared to their enemy who is actively targeting civilians. And have been doing that so for years. What is your solution to this conflict that doesn't include wiping the only national state for the Israeli people, created by UN, off the map? Hamas has been quite clear there will be no lasting peace until that has happened as far as I know. (Full disclosure: I don't read arabic so I'm hav…

Well, bombing the Gaza Strip is clearly working. The conflict is all but over. Oh wait...

It has been proven helpful in reducing the amount of rockets fired at Israeli civillans[1].

I'll repeat the above question, what's your solution?

[1] Number of rockets fired from Gaza Strip to Israel over time; a similar operation took place in December 2008 http://sonoflaser.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/%D7%A9%D7%9...

Re: Anonymous takes down over 550 Israeli sites, wipes databases

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Post by AtlasLion »

darasen wrote: post #44
guelo wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well it's not as if the heavy bombing of a densely populated defenseless area is healing anything either.

Of course Hamas could always stop intentionally putting rocket launchers by playgrounds. But that wouldn't suit their agenda.

yeah, they should have special military bases, and while at it, give the IDF the exact coordinates. That should help their cause a lot.

Re: Anonymous takes down over 550 Israeli sites, wipes databases

#69

Post by aes256 »

pyre wrote: post #64
aes256 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a large-scale armed conflict. Civilians are going to get caught in the crossfire. Alas, it's a strange sort of conflict in which one side deliberately targets civilians, while the other does everything humanly possible to avoid them.

You said: > As a civilian, it is not difficult to avoid those > targets. Then you said: > It's a large-scale armed conflict. Civilians are > going to get caught in the crossfire. If it's not so hard for civilians to avoid these areas, then why is it inevitable that they be caught in the crossfire? The idea that Israel is somehow free of 'blood on their hands' because they try to warn people to leave the area for the…

> If it's not so hard to civilians to avoid these areas, then why is it inevitable that they be caught in the crossfire?

Nothing is perfect. Equipment malfunctions, mistaken intel, and human error can all lead to civilian casualties, despite the best precautions.

Re: Anonymous takes down over 550 Israeli sites, wipes databases

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Post by aes256 »

kamaal wrote: post #61
aes256 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Heavy bombing of densely populated areas? It's rather simple. As a general rule, civilians in the Gaza Strip know if they are near a target. You don't live next to a rocket manufacturing, storage or launch site without knowing about it. The IDF have gone to great pains to warn civilians not to go near these sites, or to mix with combatants. They send text messages, drop leaflets, even make phone calls with recorded m…

As per http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza There are more than 1.5 million people living on the 45 km^2 stretch of land. Are you seriously asking them to run? Run to where? Sea? or towards the sky? No wonder it has been compared to a concentration camp or an open air prison. Classic victim blaming to say the least. Drop leaflets and then get a free permit to bomb them. If some should die, tell them you are the good guy…

This isn't carpet-bombing. Israel are only engaging in pinpoint strikes on legitimate military targets.

Where should citizens run? Around 100m away from any rocket manufacturing, storage or launch site should be sufficient.

That means most of the Gaza Strip is safe.

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