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LaGuardia pilots raised safety alarms months before deadly runway crash

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Re: LaGuardia pilots raised safety alarms months before deadly runway crash

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The evidence that this controller was overworked is that practically all controllers in the US at present are overworked. As such, that should be treated as the null hypothesis, and it would require substantial evidence to show that he isn't overworked.

Couldn’t we just… wait to see what FAA says before coming up with our own (entirely speculative) theories?

NTSB is the relevant institution, not FAA.

Re: LaGuardia pilots raised safety alarms months before deadly runway crash

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It is surprising to me that airports do not use an interlock system for deconflicting the various paths segments that may be occupied by a vehicle. Trains have used mechanical ones since the 1800s [0]. The story and comments seem to indicate the only thing preventing collisions is the mind of one person--that sounds insane.

0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interlocking

Re: LaGuardia pilots raised safety alarms months before deadly runway crash

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Couldn’t we just… wait to see what FAA says before coming up with our own (entirely speculative) theories?

Can we trust the FAA's conclusion? Its previous head had a term that didn't expire until 2028 but he resigned after pressure from Elon Musk (who didn't like that he got fined), now a Trump-friendly head has been installed. What, realistically, would be the consequences if he lied? Likely none. Government officials lying on record is an every day occurrence these days.

You're 100% right, a "Trump-friendly" administrator has been "installed" so we can't trust the FAA's conclusions. The last guy quit so this guy is definitely going to lie.

Re: LaGuardia pilots raised safety alarms months before deadly runway crash

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Does anyone know why the fire truck was driving across the runway in the first place? Was it a patrol, repositioning the truck, or was there an active incident that they were responding to? Seems like reducing the number of times you have to drive across an active runway is in general a good thing, but perhaps at an airport this old this is the only way to get from A to B.

I believe it was responding to the other active incident that the ATC was also handling where a plane failed to take off?

Re: LaGuardia pilots raised safety alarms months before deadly runway crash

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Does anyone know why the fire truck was driving across the runway in the first place? Was it a patrol, repositioning the truck, or was there an active incident that they were responding to? Seems like reducing the number of times you have to drive across an active runway is in general a good thing, but perhaps at an airport this old this is the only way to get from A to B.

They were responding to an incident (unidentified odor on another plane)

Re: LaGuardia pilots raised safety alarms months before deadly runway crash

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Maybe there should be more than one

Maybe. Lets see what the NTSB recommendations say. However despite the downvotes I still haven't seen evidence that they were running understaffed at that moment. What I do know is that the developing emergency on the tarmac due to an apparently hazardous smell in another plane is likely the cause of the confusion that led to this incident. That's a trigger that could have been exacerbated by fatigue but we don't hav…

SPOF still applies here. You don't need evidence of fatigue or anything. You have only 1 of anything, you run the risk of ending up having nothing.

Re: LaGuardia pilots raised safety alarms months before deadly runway crash

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Re: LaGuardia pilots raised safety alarms months before deadly runway crash

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And therein lies the problem. Clearly, having one overworked controller running a combined tower is not safe nor sustainable.

Planes landing at a rate of one every 30-40 minutes isn't exactly "overworked."

In this case there were two arrivals within 4 minutes of each other and two departures, in addition to the emergency plane that had just aborted takeoff.

Re: LaGuardia pilots raised safety alarms months before deadly runway crash

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> the controller in question was working both ground and air control simultaneously due to staffing shortages How many planes land at LGA in the middle the night? One controller overnight is completely reasonable.

>> One controller overnight is completely reasonable So if said controller has a medical episode?

"Funny" enough if this controller had had a medical emergency (or just bad sushi) and been off the radios, this wouldn't have happened because the fire truck would not have received clearance to cross the runway and wouldn't have. Or at least would have crossed like the airport was uncontrolled, been much more careful and announced itself, and likely have seen the landing aircraft.
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