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Re: France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app

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Post by lm28469 »

Jensson wrote: post #58
lm28469 wrote: post #55

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> How would a drone sink a carrier? Ask Ukraine, they've been sinking russian warships left and right, even in their own ports

A drone payload can only sink a small ship, there is no way a single drone can sink a carrier. And the amount of drones Iraq can launch today isn't enough to get through a carriers defenses. Russia-Ukraine war is different since there are many more drones and neither side has air superiority. Also most of those kills were done by missiles or sea drones, not the shahed drones Iran has that costs 20k.

Iran has surface and submarine drones too, I know you cant sink a carrier with a shahed

Re: France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app

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Post by Jensson »

ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #52
Jensson wrote: post #45

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> even if they had nukes they would not have used them for anything other than extinction level threats I'd agree for just about any other country, but Iran have a terrorist regime that is funding terrorists everywhere. They are not like Pakistan or North Korea etc, Iran is crazy and doesn't follow normal international norms. Even Russia and Ukraine doesn't bomb third party countries in war just for supporting the ot…

> Even Russia and Ukraine doesn't bomb third party countries in war just for supporting the other side, that is a crazy stupid thing to do and any country behaving like that should never ever have nukes. To the extent this might be true, it seems like it would be even more true of the two countries that unprovokedly bombed a third party country to start the war in the first place.

> two countries that unprovokedly

It isn't unprovoked, Iran current regime has chanted "Death to America" since its founding. USA has plenty of reasons to attack here which is why you don't see more international outcry or support for Iran. Iran are on their own.

Re: France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app

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Post by Jensson »

BigTTYGothGF wrote: post #53
Jensson wrote: post #45

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> even if they had nukes they would not have used them for anything other than extinction level threats I'd agree for just about any other country, but Iran have a terrorist regime that is funding terrorists everywhere. They are not like Pakistan or North Korea etc, Iran is crazy and doesn't follow normal international norms. Even Russia and Ukraine doesn't bomb third party countries in war just for supporting the ot…

The US has been funding terrorists for longer than the current state of Iran (or even its predecessor) has been around: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27état#Uni... and we still haven't nuked anybody in anger since 1945.

Funding coups is not the same thing as funding terrorists. Terrorists attacks and kills civilians, coups just targets leaders. If Iran funded coups in nearby countries that would be a sane thing to do, funding terrorists is what makes them an insane force that you can't predict what they will do with a bomb.

Russia also funds coups, not terrorists. You didn't see a lot of suicide bombings and such in Ukraine before Russia attacked, Russia did the sane thing and sent in Russians in the Russian areas to build support etc, funding terrorism is just plain evil and serves no purpose. That is the difference.

Re: France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app

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Post by lm28469 »

Jensson wrote: post #60
lm28469 wrote: post #54

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> Even Russia and Ukraine doesn't bomb third party countries Third party to who? they all host US bases lmao, a country which just attacked them without declaring war, pearl harbor style, without congress approval, against all kind of international laws, because israel was going in anyways (according to Rubio) for their holy war Stop drinking the kool aid and plug in your brain, it's way more nuanced than you're lead…

> Third party to who? they all host US bases lmao That is no reason to bomb them. Belarus hosts Russian bases but Ukraine doesn't bomb them. International norms is that military bases that aren't actively used to attack aren't valid targets, only Iran breaks that. > Stop drinking the kool aid and plug in your brain, it's way more nuanced than you're lead to believe. No one is "crazy", they all have very rational reas…

> That is no reason to bomb them.

For you, for the new leader of Iran who just lost his dad/wife/brother/son in US strikes it might sound like a very reasonable thing to do.

> That is insane and serves no purpose.

How do you qualify the original attack that started the whole thing? Iran has been pretty clear about how it retaliates and escalates, they did not attack all the targets on day 1, they gradually increased with the US/Israel strikes. They only attacked foreign infrastructure once their own equivalent had been struck first

What do you think about the US/Israel strikes on historical buildings, electrical infrastructure, schools/uni, civilian research centers? What do you think of hegseth literally saying they're here to bring death and destruction ?

I think the US got drunk on their own supply of "we can do whatever the fuck we want because we have the biggest bombs and the cultural superiority".

> I read all the reports from them, they aren't condemning USA about those attacks,

Well you clearly didn't read much outside of US/Israel propaganda

Re: France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app

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Post by lm28469 »

Jensson wrote: post #62
ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Even Russia and Ukraine doesn't bomb third party countries in war just for supporting the other side, that is a crazy stupid thing to do and any country behaving like that should never ever have nukes. To the extent this might be true, it seems like it would be even more true of the two countries that unprovokedly bombed a third party country to start the war in the first place.

> two countries that unprovokedly It isn't unprovoked, Iran current regime has chanted "Death to America" since its founding. USA has plenty of reasons to attack here which is why you don't see more international outcry or support for Iran. Iran are on their own.

> USA has plenty of reasons to attack

Yet none have been provided, remember the anthrax scam at the united nations? At least they put some efforts into it

Re: France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app

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Post by Jensson »

lm28469 wrote: post #64
Jensson wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Third party to who? they all host US bases lmao That is no reason to bomb them. Belarus hosts Russian bases but Ukraine doesn't bomb them. International norms is that military bases that aren't actively used to attack aren't valid targets, only Iran breaks that. > Stop drinking the kool aid and plug in your brain, it's way more nuanced than you're lead to believe. No one is "crazy", they all have very rational reas…

> That is no reason to bomb them. For you, for the new leader of Iran who just lost his dad/wife/brother/son in US strikes it might sound like a very reasonable thing to do. > That is insane and serves no purpose. How do you qualify the original attack that started the whole thing? Iran has been pretty clear about how it retaliates and escalates, they did not attack all the targets on day 1, they gradually increased…

> Well you clearly didn't read much outside of US/Israel propaganda

I read every update on Aljazeera, they are very representative of the views of the middle east and aren't American or Israeli propaganda. To me it seems like it is you who only read the propaganda.

Re: France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app

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Post by lm28469 »

Jensson wrote: post #63
BigTTYGothGF wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US has been funding terrorists for longer than the current state of Iran (or even its predecessor) has been around: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27état#Uni... and we still haven't nuked anybody in anger since 1945.

Funding coups is not the same thing as funding terrorists. Terrorists attacks and kills civilians, coups just targets leaders. If Iran funded coups in nearby countries that would be a sane thing to do, funding terrorists is what makes them an insane force that you can't predict what they will do with a bomb. Russia also funds coups, not terrorists. You didn't see a lot of suicide bombings and such in Ukraine before R…

> coups just targets leaders.

This died day 1 when you bombed a fucking school and killed 168 girls. For a lot of these countries the US is a terrorist state. It doesn't matter if the explosive is strapped to a guy's chest or to a tomahawk

Re: France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app

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Post by Jensson »

lm28469 wrote: post #65
Jensson wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> two countries that unprovokedly It isn't unprovoked, Iran current regime has chanted "Death to America" since its founding. USA has plenty of reasons to attack here which is why you don't see more international outcry or support for Iran. Iran are on their own.

> USA has plenty of reasons to attack Yet none have been provided, remember the anthrax scam at the united nations? At least they put some efforts into it

They don't need to provide a reason, its probably related to greed etc, but greed is still a rational reason. Iran attacking their neighbors is not rational here, it just makes the middle east hate them more.

I am not talking about international laws here, just the norms everyone follows in wars. Everyone breaks the international laws, but the norms of not attacking third parties etc are there for rational reasons, since you don't gain anything for doing so its just stupid and causes damage and strife and hurts you for doing it.

Re: France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app

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Post by Jensson »

lm28469 wrote: post #67
Jensson wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funding coups is not the same thing as funding terrorists. Terrorists attacks and kills civilians, coups just targets leaders. If Iran funded coups in nearby countries that would be a sane thing to do, funding terrorists is what makes them an insane force that you can't predict what they will do with a bomb. Russia also funds coups, not terrorists. You didn't see a lot of suicide bombings and such in Ukraine before R…

> coups just targets leaders. This died day 1 when you bombed a fucking school and killed 168 girls. For a lot of these countries the US is a terrorist state. It doesn't matter if the explosive is strapped to a guy's chest or to a tomahawk

> This died day 1 when you bombed a fucking school and killed 168 girls

I didn't bomb a school, I am not American. Americans are much more against this war than most people of the world. I know a lot of Iranians that are very happy that the regime is getting bombed.

Re: France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app

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Post by detaro »

FridayoLeary wrote: post #27
rcxdude wrote: post #16

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I think the international community is demonstrating to the US that they can't drop their military support for their allies and also expect that they still help to clean up their messes.

I kind of understand that, although of course i completely disagree with their line of thinking. Iran is everyones problem and open conflict like this would have been hard to avoid down the road. Point is they had months to anticipate this latest conflict, why did they do absolutely nothing to mitigate this? Why was the UK apparently completely unprepared? Europe's economy is suffering, more then America. Why do we e…

Again, how should the UK use the Navy here?
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