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Re: France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app

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Post by toraway »

FridayoLeary wrote: post #13

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They move a carrier into a vulnerable position in the Strait, where an attack by a tiny boat could both result in causalities and draw the UK into another protracted war in the Middle East with no clear exit condition and even more casualties?

And for what, exactly, a pat on the back from Trump? (who will then inevitably turn on them after a week and blame them for anything that goes wrong in the war.)

If escorting ship traffic was so straightforward with only upside, the US would be doing it already. Instead of trying to get someone else to take that risk.

Re: France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

Jensson wrote: post #45
lm28469 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Iran is everyones problem It was at best a regional problem until the US and israel decided to fuck things up and make it a global problem, they didn't have nukes, they were not building nukes, even if they had nukes they would not have used them for anything other than extinction level threats, so just like israel, everyone is OK with them having nukes despite being the same type of religious nutjob thecracy, stra…

> even if they had nukes they would not have used them for anything other than extinction level threats I'd agree for just about any other country, but Iran have a terrorist regime that is funding terrorists everywhere. They are not like Pakistan or North Korea etc, Iran is crazy and doesn't follow normal international norms. Even Russia and Ukraine doesn't bomb third party countries in war just for supporting the ot…

> Even Russia and Ukraine doesn't bomb third party countries in war just for supporting the other side, that is a crazy stupid thing to do and any country behaving like that should never ever have nukes.

To the extent this might be true, it seems like it would be even more true of the two countries that unprovokedly bombed a third party country to start the war in the first place.

Re: France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app

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Post by BigTTYGothGF »

Jensson wrote: post #45
lm28469 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Iran is everyones problem It was at best a regional problem until the US and israel decided to fuck things up and make it a global problem, they didn't have nukes, they were not building nukes, even if they had nukes they would not have used them for anything other than extinction level threats, so just like israel, everyone is OK with them having nukes despite being the same type of religious nutjob thecracy, stra…

> even if they had nukes they would not have used them for anything other than extinction level threats I'd agree for just about any other country, but Iran have a terrorist regime that is funding terrorists everywhere. They are not like Pakistan or North Korea etc, Iran is crazy and doesn't follow normal international norms. Even Russia and Ukraine doesn't bomb third party countries in war just for supporting the ot…

The US has been funding terrorists for longer than the current state of Iran (or even its predecessor) has been around: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27état#Uni... and we still haven't nuked anybody in anger since 1945.

Re: France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app

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Post by lm28469 »

Jensson wrote: post #45
lm28469 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Iran is everyones problem It was at best a regional problem until the US and israel decided to fuck things up and make it a global problem, they didn't have nukes, they were not building nukes, even if they had nukes they would not have used them for anything other than extinction level threats, so just like israel, everyone is OK with them having nukes despite being the same type of religious nutjob thecracy, stra…

> even if they had nukes they would not have used them for anything other than extinction level threats I'd agree for just about any other country, but Iran have a terrorist regime that is funding terrorists everywhere. They are not like Pakistan or North Korea etc, Iran is crazy and doesn't follow normal international norms. Even Russia and Ukraine doesn't bomb third party countries in war just for supporting the ot…

> Even Russia and Ukraine doesn't bomb third party countries

Third party to who? they all host US bases lmao, a country which just attacked them without declaring war, pearl harbor style, without congress approval, against all kind of international laws, because israel was going in anyways (according to Rubio) for their holy war

Stop drinking the kool aid and plug in your brain, it's way more nuanced than you're lead to believe. No one is "crazy", they all have very rational reasons for what they're doing, the fact that you don't even try to understand them doesn't mean they don't exist.

Re: France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app

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Post by lm28469 »

Jensson wrote: post #50
lm28469 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> deploy and do what exactly? To get sunk by a $20k drone, the most likely outcome at that point

How would a drone sink a carrier? If Iran could do that they would already have sunk the American carriers. The risk at the straights aren't drones but torpedoes and mines and attack boats.

> How would a drone sink a carrier?

Ask Ukraine, they've been sinking russian warships left and right, even in their own ports

Re: France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app

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Post by [deleted] »

lm28469 wrote: post #40
FridayoLeary wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I kind of understand that, although of course i completely disagree with their line of thinking. Iran is everyones problem and open conflict like this would have been hard to avoid down the road. Point is they had months to anticipate this latest conflict, why did they do absolutely nothing to mitigate this? Why was the UK apparently completely unprepared? Europe's economy is suffering, more then America. Why do we e…

> Iran is everyones problem It was at best a regional problem until the US and israel decided to fuck things up and make it a global problem, they didn't have nukes, they were not building nukes, even if they had nukes they would not have used them for anything other than extinction level threats, so just like israel, everyone is OK with them having nukes despite being the same type of religious nutjob thecracy, stra…

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Re: France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app

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Post by Jensson »

lm28469 wrote: post #55
Jensson wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would a drone sink a carrier? If Iran could do that they would already have sunk the American carriers. The risk at the straights aren't drones but torpedoes and mines and attack boats.

> How would a drone sink a carrier? Ask Ukraine, they've been sinking russian warships left and right, even in their own ports

A drone payload can only sink a small ship, there is no way a single drone can sink a carrier. And the amount of drones Iraq can launch today isn't enough to get through a carriers defenses.

Russia-Ukraine war is different since there are many more drones and neither side has air superiority. Also most of those kills were done by missiles or sea drones, not the shahed drones Iran has that costs 20k.

Re: France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app

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Post by cosmicgadget »

astrobe_ wrote: post #46
paxys wrote: post #2

Is an aircraft carrier's location supposed to be secret? Pretty hard to hide from a satellite I'd imagine.

It's pretty hard to hide it from anything . Its surface is ~17000 m² (a tennis court is ~260 m²), and is 75 m high (~ 25 floors building - probably half of it under water, but still). And that's a mid-sized carrier according to Wikipedia. It's not built for hiding at all, that's what submarines are for (and that's where our nukes are).

Well clearly since the De Gaulle is using a fitness app it's working on it.

Re: France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app

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Post by Jensson »

lm28469 wrote: post #54
Jensson wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> even if they had nukes they would not have used them for anything other than extinction level threats I'd agree for just about any other country, but Iran have a terrorist regime that is funding terrorists everywhere. They are not like Pakistan or North Korea etc, Iran is crazy and doesn't follow normal international norms. Even Russia and Ukraine doesn't bomb third party countries in war just for supporting the ot…

> Even Russia and Ukraine doesn't bomb third party countries Third party to who? they all host US bases lmao, a country which just attacked them without declaring war, pearl harbor style, without congress approval, against all kind of international laws, because israel was going in anyways (according to Rubio) for their holy war Stop drinking the kool aid and plug in your brain, it's way more nuanced than you're lead…

> Third party to who? they all host US bases lmao

That is no reason to bomb them. Belarus hosts Russian bases but Ukraine doesn't bomb them. International norms is that military bases that aren't actively used to attack aren't valid targets, only Iran breaks that.

> Stop drinking the kool aid and plug in your brain, it's way more nuanced than you're lead to believe. No one is "crazy", they all have very rational reasons for what they're doing, the fact that you don't even try to understand them doesn't mean they don't exist.

They are crazy, they got the entire middle east against them now with those attacks. I read all the reports from them, they aren't condemning USA about those attacks, they do however condemn Iran for launching attacks at them. Iran strategy failed fully and all they do is dig in further and launch even more attacks on these countries.

That is insane and serves no purpose.

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