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Homeland Security Wants Social Media Sites to Expose Anti-ICE Accounts

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Re: Homeland Security Wants Social Media Sites to Expose Anti-ICE Accounts

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Post by JoshTriplett »

pesus wrote: post #43
nostrademons wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You've always been able to delete for 2 hours and then the post becomes effectively permanent, modulo emailing dang to get it deleted by an admin.

Have they stated the justification for this anywhere? You'd think a site that brands itself as being for hackers would value its users having control over their comments/privacy.

There's value in editing for clarity within a window of a live discussion. After the live discussion is less active, it's important to be able to reference things or see a coherent view of the discussion and what people were responding to.

Re: Homeland Security Wants Social Media Sites to Expose Anti-ICE Accounts

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Post by throwawayq3423 »

infotainment wrote: post #15

This is such an entirely predictable outcome that people were warning about ever since the Patriot Act days and the creation of DHS. Unfortunate, but the inevitable consequence of granting the kinds of powers that DHS was given.

just to be clear trump administration is not using Patriot Act era standards. They're going far beyond what any previous administration has done and openly breaking the law.

I have a feeling they would have gotten here even if Obama didn't expand the surveillance state.

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Post by pphysch »

pojntfx wrote: post #5
taylodl wrote: post #2

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For the non-US-American part, that's the Fediverse, the only network that isn't developed and used primarily by US-Americans. As for "wont turn over our data" - it's push-based, that helps to make it a bit harder to crawl, but it's public social media, and by definition the data will be out there as a result of that.

What? Telegram and Weibo are developed by US-Americans?

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Post by iugtmkbdfil834 »

hodgehog11 wrote: post #17

This is the point where most of the public would probably acknowledge that digital privacy is worth seeking. If you're in a fascist or communist state, announcing your political opinions online without anonymity is generally not advisable.

The interesting thing is that the time to oppose it these encroachments was somewhere between 2001 and say.. 2015 ( some events, but nothing in particular other than general acceptance by general populace ). And now the masses are crying foul? Now is absolutely not the time to try to get online invisibility cloak.

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Post by Alupis »

zaptheimpaler wrote: post #55
Alupis wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They have released 2% of the epstein files 3,500,000 pages[1] have been released, including 2,000 videos and 180,000 images. If this was only "2%" of the files, you're alleging there's 175,000,000 pages of documents. Absolute nonsense. That's not even realistic. Not to mention nobody but the government knows how many pages are in "the files" - anything else you see is just made up. > Im not a conspiracy theorist at…

https://x.com/jakeshieldsajj/status/2022425434626183307?s=61 this is one example mentioning babies. There are hundreds of other pictures and emails re young girls. If you bother to look into this, you will see. you would rather feel superior nitpicking a minor detail while missing the fucking point. Good job. Heres another crumb, a tiny sliver of evidence: https://hyperallergic.com/epstein-files-detail-gruesome-alle.…

You're interpreting that email to mean they've killed thousands of one year old babies? Or perhaps it was a joke about a party that had a bunch of babies at it... I dare say, you're so deep down the conspiracy rabbit hole you don't know which way is up.

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Herring wrote: post #44

Reminder that the most reliable way to prevent the rise of the far right is to implement robust safety nets and low inequality, to reduce status anxiety and grievance. Support for such measures (eg welfare, healthcare, unionization, redistribution etc) is usually low among Americans.

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Post by softwaredoug »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #54

I'm old enough to remember that time the Obama administration requested Edward Snowdens private SSL keys from Lavabit, because it would have opened up every email from every single user. So the owner nuked everything and was held in contempt of court. He was forbidden from talking about it for months too. Don't give too much unprecedented power to the government. It doesn't matter who the president is. They've all do…

One difference, this was in response to an actual search warrant granted by a judge.

What DHS is doing are administrative warrants, with no judicial overview (unless you sue to stop them).

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Post by iugtmkbdfil834 »

throwawayq3423 wrote: post #59
giancarlostoro wrote: post #54

I'm old enough to remember that time the Obama administration requested Edward Snowdens private SSL keys from Lavabit, because it would have opened up every email from every single user. So the owner nuked everything and was held in contempt of court. He was forbidden from talking about it for months too. Don't give too much unprecedented power to the government. It doesn't matter who the president is. They've all do…

Edward Snowden had stolen the most sensitive classified secrets from The United States Intelligence Community and Donald Trump is looking to squash dissent of his attempts to nullify the Constitution and establish a dictatorship. I get what you're saying, but please have some perspective. the two things are not even remotely similar.

Friend, if you followed Snowden's saga at all, you would know that those events don't need to be similar to be relevant to the discussion at hand. In other words, just because you have a problem with Trump, does not mean the two issues are not connected.

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Post by GaryBluto »

throwawayq3423 wrote: post #60
rtkwe wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope courts find a way and the spine to tell them they're not valid. The government usually has a strong presumption of regularity but more and more courts are recognizing they're no longer a fair participant and will abuse the courts to get their way and are dropping that presumption.

Good faith by the federal government can no longer be assumed. Donald Trump's real legacy is not any single action, but a complete inversion of trust of the US government by its citizens. And the world.

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