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Amazon Ring's lost dog ad sparks backlash amid fears of mass surveillance

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Re: Amazon Ring's lost dog ad sparks backlash amid fears of mass surveillance

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Recording public spaces should be illegal. Public street? Public sidewalk? Not your turf, no cameras, no recording.

I'm not sure you've thought this through. That would mean you can't record law enforcement or any other abuse of power.

The issue here isn't the recording, it's the packaging it up for sale that's the issue.

Re: Amazon Ring's lost dog ad sparks backlash amid fears of mass surveillance

#62
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The WeRateDogs guy broke character and put out a video attacking that ad https://bsky.app/profile/weratedogs.com/post/3mejrtyvkyc2o

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Objection: facts not in evidence!

The problem with the current push on "illegal immigrants" is that

    1. It has been incredibly brutal 
    2. Many of the currently "illegal" immigrants were not illegal until their status was revoked by the current president.
    3. The question of your immigration status, under the current system, is decided without proper access to legal representation.
These problems are very much worth drawing a line in the sand over.

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Some people feel that the current push is solving a real problem in the real world.

Unfortunately, the real world is actually very complicated, and you can't flatten that complication without violence.

If that is hard to imagine, replace the ICE acronym with Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms, Bureau of Land Management, or Internal Revenue Service.

Re: Amazon Ring's lost dog ad sparks backlash amid fears of mass surveillance

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post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The only way Batman remains a "good guy" in the eyes of the audience is by destroying the entire thing once he's done. A key part of that is when he tells Alfred that he did not even trust himself with that level of surveillance and coded it to only grant access to Alfred. Further, Alfred agrees to aid Batman by accessing the data but simultaneously tenders his resignation. I doubt Amazon has anyone like Alfred in…

> Alfred Wasn't it Lucius Fox?

It was :) Morgan Freeman not Michael Caine.

Re: Amazon Ring's lost dog ad sparks backlash amid fears of mass surveillance

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post #39
post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The only way Batman remains a "good guy" in the eyes of the audience is by destroying the entire thing once he's done. A key part of that is when he tells Alfred that he did not even trust himself with that level of surveillance and coded it to only grant access to Alfred. Further, Alfred agrees to aid Batman by accessing the data but simultaneously tenders his resignation. I doubt Amazon has anyone like Alfred in…

> Alfred Wasn't it Lucius Fox?

same difference

Re: Amazon Ring's lost dog ad sparks backlash amid fears of mass surveillance

#65
post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean the message in The Dark Knight is really messy. The characters believe it’s immoral, but they use it anyway, and it saves lives and stops the Joker.

Yeah, as I say in a sibling comment, it's a fair reading of the movie that it's ultimately pro-surveillance because it shows that despite being immoral, unethical mass surveillance catches the bad guy. But "surveillance is unethical but necessary when battling the forces of evil" is worlds away from "surveillance is totally awesome and everyone should buy a Ring camera."

That kind of change in morality seems possible for an 18 year timespan? If anything the slope is closer to typical than to the maximum recorded.

The moral norms of societies, in many aspects, changed even more from 1928 to 1946.

Re: Amazon Ring's lost dog ad sparks backlash amid fears of mass surveillance

#66
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The Dark Knight was released in 2008. In that movie, Batman hijacks citizens' cellphones to track down the Joker, and it's presented as a major moral and ethical dilemma as part of the movie's overall themes. The only way Batman remains a "good guy" in the eyes of the audience is by destroying the entire thing once he's done. Crazy to think that less than two decades later, an even more powerful surveillance technolo…

This is a bit orthogonal to the article, but Christopher Nolan gives me the willies. Almost all his films have this kind authoritarian apologia in them.

Is that the same willies as something like 1984 or Black Mirror? All they are doing is taking some idea present now, and just taking it too the darker places of it while society is currently only seeing the rosy side of things. It's stories like this that might be first time someone might actually consider other implications of ideas.

Re: Amazon Ring's lost dog ad sparks backlash amid fears of mass surveillance

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The Dark Knight was released in 2008. In that movie, Batman hijacks citizens' cellphones to track down the Joker, and it's presented as a major moral and ethical dilemma as part of the movie's overall themes. The only way Batman remains a "good guy" in the eyes of the audience is by destroying the entire thing once he's done. Crazy to think that less than two decades later, an even more powerful surveillance technolo…

This is a bit orthogonal to the article, but Christopher Nolan gives me the willies. Almost all his films have this kind authoritarian apologia in them.

The Dark Knight Rises (the batman movie with Bane) seemed especially notable in this way - almost directly caricaturing the Occupy Wall St protests that were relevant at the time.

Re: Amazon Ring's lost dog ad sparks backlash amid fears of mass surveillance

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The Dark Knight was released in 2008. In that movie, Batman hijacks citizens' cellphones to track down the Joker, and it's presented as a major moral and ethical dilemma as part of the movie's overall themes. The only way Batman remains a "good guy" in the eyes of the audience is by destroying the entire thing once he's done. Crazy to think that less than two decades later, an even more powerful surveillance technolo…

Pulled from IMDB, Morgan Freeman as Lucius Fox voices the consternation perfectly: > Batman: [seeing the wall of monitors for the first time at the Applied Sciences division in Wayne Enterprises] Beautiful, isn't it? > Lucius Fox: Beautiful... unethical... dangerous. You've turned every cellphone in Gotham into a microphone. > Batman: And a high-frequency generator-receiver. > Lucius Fox: You took my sonar concept an…

Lmao did they really say it's null-key encrypted?

Unfortunately a very realistic depiction of how many of the brands advertising their security the strongest often have the most ridiculously broken security (flock)

Re: Amazon Ring's lost dog ad sparks backlash amid fears of mass surveillance

#70

Fears of mass surveillance? It's already mass surveillance

This nitpick in language adds nothing to the conversation and is fundamentally incorrect. "Fears of" does not imply the thing feared doesn't exist.

Fear of bears in the woods? We already had bears.
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