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Re: Two days of oatmeal reduce cholesterol level

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Post by snthpy »

EZ-E wrote: post #45

I fixed my high cholesterol problem with oats... Months ago I replaced my daily dinner with a mix of oats + banana + protein powder + 1 tbsp olive oil + peanut butter + flaxseeds + oat milk - all mixed in a blender. My bad cholesterol (LDL levels) tanked from 160 mg/dL to 91 mg/dL. My daily dinners before that were not even that unhealthy. Dropping sat fat intake had nowhere near that much effect for me. For me and I…

Interesting. I have almost the same smoothie every morning minus the banana and oats. Instead I use psyllium husks for fibre.

My cholesterol has been in range for years despite eating almost exclusively saturated fat since I'm in the keto camp. Just watched an interesting episode by Peter Attia and Layne Norton on seed oils which might shift my view on PUFAs a bit.

Thoughts?

Re: Two days of oatmeal reduce cholesterol level

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Post by wwwtyro »

thesz wrote: post #54
wwwtyro wrote: post #32

My understanding is that: 1. When someone consumes fat, bile is released into the gut. 2. Oatmeal (and other soluble fibers like psyllium husk) capture this bile and it is excreted in stool. 3. In order to create the bile, the liver needs LDL. Because the LDL it used to create the bile was lost when it was captured, it exposes more LDL receptors and pulls LDL out of the bloodstream, thereby lowering LDL levels. It se…

VLDL, a precursor for LDL, is produced in liver. Both are more or less the same chemically, but differ in the amount of fat carried. LDL is VLDL but somewhat processed by body, HDL is a VLDL (LDL) completely processed by body. Bile is used to process food in the gut. It does not go back into our system. Bile is still produced by liver even in long fasts. Oatmeals is a kind of elimination diet, much like carnivore die…

> Bile is used to process food in the gut. It does not go back into our system.

I don't think that's correct: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enterohepatic_circulation

I also think you're mischaracterizing HDL as a VLDL. If you search for Apolipoprotein A here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK305896/ you'll see that HDL is constructed from it, while VLDL and LDL are part of the Apolipoprotein B lineage.

Re: Two days of oatmeal reduce cholesterol level

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Post by renewiltord »

_n66o wrote: post #15
renewiltord wrote: post #13

That’s nothing. You should have seen me on my Halo Top ice cream only diet. One point of the ice cream, nothing else. Lost way more weight than these losers. Halo Top, guys, it’s the key.

Is that also what gave you the cancer?

No. That’s from reading your comments.

Haha just kidding.

Re: Two days of oatmeal reduce cholesterol level

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Post by wgjordan »

x0x0 wrote: post #50
wgjordan wrote: post #33

It's well known that an oatmeal diet lowers cholesterol (the article itself cites a 1907 'oat cure' in its intro). The new finding here is insight into the exact mechanism- a short-term, high-dose oatmeal diet (300g/day for two days) had significantly greater LDL-lowering effect than a medium-term, moderate-dose oatmeal diet (80g/day for six weeks), and they associated the difference with increases in several plasma…

300g is a lot of oatmeal. I eat Bob's Red Mill steel cut oats for breakfast every day; 1/2c dry is about 88g. That's a pretty decent meal. 3.5x that is probably most of what you eat that day.

Yeah, the article showed that the high-dose intervention (modeled after von Noorden's famous century-old 'oat cure') is most effective. A large bowl of oatmeal (100g) all 3 meals for 2 days, 6 large bowls total.

6 weeks of 'oatmeal for breakfast every day' was less effective than 2 days of 'stuff yourself with oatmeal'.

Re: Two days of oatmeal reduce cholesterol level

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Post by throwup238 »

fellowniusmonk wrote: post #18
roxolotl wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yea it’s on the oatmeal boxes even. Part of what’s interesting about this study though is they claim this two day intensive(300g per day) oatmeal diet showed microbiome changes which persist for months.

Oatmeal is fine, but has nothing on hulled barley. Oats are for horses. Mankind basically co-evolved with Barley.

Barley was the preferred food for cavalry horses alongside oats since antiquity so “oats are for horses” is a medieval European quirk.

Re: Two days of oatmeal reduce cholesterol level

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Post by blinded »

kstenerud wrote: post #48
blinded wrote: post #39

Been trying to get into overnight oats (home made) for breakfast but its been hard to hit protein numbers, even with protein powder.

With just the oats it's hard. What I do is ferment my own greek yogurt (milk and starter in an instant pot for 9h, then strain it in the fridge overnight) and eat that with müsli mixed in (the German kind that's nothing but whole grains and some raisins, not the garbage that's basically breakfast cereal). Tastes great and gives you a ton of slow-release energy and protein.

Adding greek yogurt thats a good idea!

I've had something similar in Iceland, good call.

Re: Two days of oatmeal reduce cholesterol level

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Post by bawolff »

nxobject wrote: post #55
racecar789 wrote: post #49

If switching to oatmeal, go with the unflavored raw oats. It's not bad once a person gets used to it. Substituting milk with water is also perfectly fine. Eating a low sugar breakfast does feel pretty healthy.

As EZ-E says above, adding a dash of healthy fat (olive oil) above does improve the mouthfeel - as well as using a little more water than you need.

As someone who grew up eating oatmeal for breakfast... that sounds really disgusting.

Don't get me wrong, to each their own, if you like it that's great, but way too liquidly oatmeal plus oil just sounds really disgusting compared to just normal oatmeal + normal amounts of water.

Re: Two days of oatmeal reduce cholesterol level

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Post by hippo22 »

snthpy wrote: post #61
EZ-E wrote: post #45

I fixed my high cholesterol problem with oats... Months ago I replaced my daily dinner with a mix of oats + banana + protein powder + 1 tbsp olive oil + peanut butter + flaxseeds + oat milk - all mixed in a blender. My bad cholesterol (LDL levels) tanked from 160 mg/dL to 91 mg/dL. My daily dinners before that were not even that unhealthy. Dropping sat fat intake had nowhere near that much effect for me. For me and I…

Interesting. I have almost the same smoothie every morning minus the banana and oats. Instead I use psyllium husks for fibre. My cholesterol has been in range for years despite eating almost exclusively saturated fat since I'm in the keto camp. Just watched an interesting episode by Peter Attia and Layne Norton on seed oils which might shift my view on PUFAs a bit. Thoughts?

Not related to your question, but the lead levels in psyllium husks are too high for me to consume them daily.

Re: Two days of oatmeal reduce cholesterol level

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Post by bob1029 »

Oatmeal is amazing at stabilizing blood sugar levels. It's like adding inertia to the power grid.

If you are eating any kind of snack cracker or refined wheat product, I would suggest replacing with oats and then reporting back on results after one week.

I think the beneficial effects are strong enough to completely offset the impact of things like occasional bowl of ice cream and package of nerds gummy clusters. This is what gets me to power through. If there wasn't some kind of strong upside no one would be eating this stuff willingly.

Re: Two days of oatmeal reduce cholesterol level

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Post by cess11 »

" Sponsorship

The trial was funded by the German Federal Ministry of Education and Research (BMBF), the German Diabetes Association (DDG), the German Research Foundation (DFG), the German Cereal Processing, Milling and Starch Industries’ Association (VGMS), and RASO Naturprodukte."

I'd be quite suspicious of this study for this reason alone.

"They also lost two kilos in weight on average and their blood pressure fell slightly."

Two kilos in two days?

Edit: Oatmeal is great. I have some most mornings, either as porridge or letting it soak for a bit in "viscous mesophilic fermented milk", as Wikipedia suggests it can be called in english. Lots of starch but it takes a while for it to sugar the blood, and some fiber and protein.

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