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In 6 violent encounters, evidence contradicts immigration officials' narratives

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Re: In 6 violent encounters, evidence contradicts immigration officials' narratives

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post #41

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The state police are not "for" non-violent enforcement.

I mean yeah, they're not "for" it but you can see how deploying the PD would be helpful as they're more inclined to be non-violent and also I'd reckon they have far more experience than ICE considering the mass requirements which results in many many ICE officers being pretty much just militarized citizens with lacking experience put into stressful situations.

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Re: In 6 violent encounters, evidence contradicts immigration officials' narratives

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It’s hilarious seeing the kind of narratives the right is coming up with to avoid admitting the obvious truth which is on video from multiple angles. I’m now seeing people say things like “you can’t carry a gun at protests” (even though there are numerous photos of people openly carrying guns at right wing protests), or “here’s a different video showing Pretty was an agitator” (as if that excuses the execution), or “…

Yes, this. After watching all the video angles, to have seemingly intelligent people come to some crazy conclusion means they are hopelessly mindfucked. It's really hard to understand how these groupthink spells work, but clearly they do. I think my perspective is so focused on facts that my mind is having trouble bending to the fact that MANY people do not critically think from first principles, about nearly everything. It's troubling to me, making me feel somewhat alienated to at least 40% of the human race.

Re: In 6 violent encounters, evidence contradicts immigration officials' narratives

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post #59

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Who? They are complaining that sanctuary cities' local police are not cooperating. Who else are you suggesting has the necessary expertise?

MN police are delivering criminals with no citizenship status to ICE / DHS though. They have not been supporting ICE on warrentless invasions, fishing expeditions, assaulting local citizens.

Surely, you're not saying that the feds are saying things that are counter to what's actually happening on the ground, are you? /s

At this point, you just have to assume the truth is exactly the opposite of what the feds are saying. How do you know a fed is lying...their mouth is moving.

Re: In 6 violent encounters, evidence contradicts immigration officials' narratives

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post #35

> officials rushed to defend immigration officers without waiting for key facts to emerge – in what former immigration officials called a clear break with past practice for federal agencies Without obscuring how bad is it, I don't believe there was ever a time when officials _didn't_ rush to defend federal officers without waiting for key facts to emerge. The us government has constantly loved to say that no one work…

I think to an extent Trump is a fall guy, even when it comes to Venezuela he was dragged through the mud where his predecessors have constantly undermined the sovereignty of other nations and attacked them under the guise of protecting the US from terrorism when it was about oil and mineral ritches [1], the same with the deportation centers which while they were getting some criticism it was nowhere near the level of…

If Trump got "dragged through the mud" on Venezuela, he did it to himself. What we know about that operation indicates it's clearly a Trump op.

But overall, I also disagree. The press has been very easy on Trump, from going easy on the grab then by the pussy tape, to never saying that he lies, to not making an issue out of his mental decline.

Re: In 6 violent encounters, evidence contradicts immigration officials' narratives

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post #53

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Who? They are complaining that sanctuary cities' local police are not cooperating. Who else are you suggesting has the necessary expertise?

Well, if local police is not cooperating then it's as designed by the constitution (states have the authority to police), to not give federal government powers to make the country a police state. Feature, not a bug. Federals should discuss and persuade the state and their police.

Nobody said the police are not policing. They have their own jobs and not there to do the bidding of the federal government. You're saying this like the local authorities are meant to drop what they are doing at the drop of dime because the feds have a request. These are not dangerous criminals that require a timely response before causing more harm. These are people trying to live their lives and it will not harm the rest of the citizens by doing immigration enforcement at a slower pace.

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post #26

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Citing an AI tweet hardly screams accurate. They're killing American citizens with immunity. Enjoy the taste of boot leather in your mouth dude.

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Hard disagree about ICE as Gestapo. ICE is Trump's secret police, loyal to him, accountable to him.

I suppose Gestapo did have more menacing uniforms.

Re: In 6 violent encounters, evidence contradicts immigration officials' narratives

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post #3

Nonviolent crowd control does not seem to be a core competence of these federal forces. They should augment deployed enforcement with those who have such expertise.

> Nonviolent crowd control does not seem to be a core competence of these federal forces.

Why is crowd control even needed?

ICE existed for many, many years before now, and them doing their job never caused crowds previously (under both R and D administrations), so what (rhetorically) changed?

Re: In 6 violent encounters, evidence contradicts immigration officials' narratives

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post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, if local police is not cooperating then it's as designed by the constitution (states have the authority to police), to not give federal government powers to make the country a police state. Feature, not a bug. Federals should discuss and persuade the state and their police.

Nobody said the police are not policing. They have their own jobs and not there to do the bidding of the federal government. You're saying this like the local authorities are meant to drop what they are doing at the drop of dime because the feds have a request. These are not dangerous criminals that require a timely response before causing more harm. These are people trying to live their lives and it will not harm th…

Did you not notice chasil and deepsun were different accounts?

Re: In 6 violent encounters, evidence contradicts immigration officials' narratives

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post #3

Nonviolent crowd control does not seem to be a core competence of these federal forces. They should augment deployed enforcement with those who have such expertise.

> Nonviolent crowd control does not seem to be a core competence of these federal forces. Why is crowd control even needed? ICE existed for many, many years before now, and them doing their job never caused crowds previously (under both R and D administrations), so what (rhetorically) changed?

Oh this is easy: a gigantic funding increase is being used to massively expand workforce with minimal training, then that workforce is being deployed with an ambiguous mission and apparent arrest quotas, while also being told they’re immune from any criminal liability for their actions (they’re not), including internal memos telling them they’re allowed to enter private homes without judicial warrants (they’re not), and a SCOTUS decision that is being represented to mean that racial profiling is legal now (it's not)

Deploying literal hordes of poorly trained, well-armed men onto American streets with explicit guidance that runs directly contrary to the US Constitution's plain text can, will, and SHOULD attract crowds in opposition.

Hope that helps!

Re: In 6 violent encounters, evidence contradicts immigration officials' narratives

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody said the police are not policing. They have their own jobs and not there to do the bidding of the federal government. You're saying this like the local authorities are meant to drop what they are doing at the drop of dime because the feds have a request. These are not dangerous criminals that require a timely response before causing more harm. These are people trying to live their lives and it will not harm th…

Did you not notice chasil and deepsun were different accounts?

What does that have to do with my response to the comment I replied?
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