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Palantir has no place in UK public services

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Re: Palantir has no place in UK public services

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Post by tombert »

gabaix wrote: post #40
tombert wrote: post #12

The more I read about Palantir, the creepier and weirder it becomes. The CEO brags about wanting to kill all journalists with fentanyl, or brags about how their software will be used to kill people, and how readily they're willing to work for the convicted fraudster that America felt fit to give the nuclear codes. And despite this company being creepy and weird and bizarre and secretive, they are also trying to make…

Karp is a philosopher by training that has fallen into ideological blindness. He claims that he is on the right side of history. Democracies need Palantir badly. He preaches his views to his employees. No one in his flock seems to wonder what would happen if their tools were to be used against democracy.

I just find it odd, because their entire business depends on being a creepy entity that has access to "all the data". There would be no reason for ICE or any government organization to actually use their services if they didn't have access to a lot of data that they didn't.

Re: Palantir has no place in UK public services

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Post by gyanchawdhary »

tombert wrote: post #59
gyanchawdhary wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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"Please, senpai Alex, please notice me! I've been so loyal to you!" I'm not "hiding" behind anything. I made the assertion that what Palantir does (and discusses publicly [1] [2] [3]) is "creepy". I'm disappointed in your second grade teacher if you don't know what an "opinion" word is, but I guess I will assume the duty: subjective terms, like "creepy", are terms that typically describe a subjective perspective. As…

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Re: Palantir has no place in UK public services

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Post by tombert »

gyanchawdhary wrote: post #62
tombert wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Please, senpai Alex, please notice me! I've been so loyal to you!" I'm not "hiding" behind anything. I made the assertion that what Palantir does (and discusses publicly [1] [2] [3]) is "creepy". I'm disappointed in your second grade teacher if you don't know what an "opinion" word is, but I guess I will assume the duty: subjective terms, like "creepy", are terms that typically describe a subjective perspective. As…

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> and accusing people of being paid shills

I didn't accuse you of being a paid shill, I said if you are a paid shill I have less polite things to call you. I know that Palantir hires people to try and do social media damage control and so it's hard to know where their reach is.

> ur not defending an opinion > you’re advertising that you don’t have anything sturdier to stand on,

I did provide citations for my opinion. Please feel free to click the links or search for yourself about the specific assertions I made if you'd like; they're not hard to find at all, so you're actively lying when you said "ur not defending an opinion"; just because you were too lazy to click a link does not mean I didn't provide substantiation as to why I think that Alex Karp and Palantir at large is creepy.

> "senpai"

If you're not a paid shill, then your perspective is considerably more pathetic. You are engaging in behavior that is honestly kind of sad. Again, behavior that is usually described by the term "simp".

ETA:

For the record, I didn't flag you. I don't really care if you insult me or call me an imbecile, it's far from the worst thing anyone has called me.

Replying to your flagged response though:

> I though you were just an imbecile, but you seem to be a paranoid one at that .. this is whats really creepy tom.

I don't really see how what I said was "paranoid", considering that this all stuff that's directly publicly available, straight from the mouth of Alex Karp. Even if everything else Palantir did was good, I think what I linked is sufficient to determine that they're "creepy".

You are of course to not think that Palantir is creepy. I'm not sure why you'd have that opinion, but you're welcome to have it.

Re: Palantir has no place in UK public services

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Post by defrost »

gyanchawdhary wrote: post #62
tombert wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Please, senpai Alex, please notice me! I've been so loyal to you!" I'm not "hiding" behind anything. I made the assertion that what Palantir does (and discusses publicly [1] [2] [3]) is "creepy". I'm disappointed in your second grade teacher if you don't know what an "opinion" word is, but I guess I will assume the duty: subjective terms, like "creepy", are terms that typically describe a subjective perspective. As…

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> you worked up imbecile

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Palantir has no place in UK public services

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Post by gyanchawdhary »

gyanchawdhary wrote: post #62
tombert wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Please, senpai Alex, please notice me! I've been so loyal to you!" I'm not "hiding" behind anything. I made the assertion that what Palantir does (and discusses publicly [1] [2] [3]) is "creepy". I'm disappointed in your second grade teacher if you don't know what an "opinion" word is, but I guess I will assume the duty: subjective terms, like "creepy", are terms that typically describe a subjective perspective. As…

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Re: Palantir has no place in UK public services

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Post by tombert »

gyanchawdhary wrote: post #58
noitpmeder wrote: post #56

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I don't think the sentiment the poster you're interacting with is anything novel or surprising to find on HN. To be honest it's largely the prevailing outlook from what I understand (maybe with some more reserved language) ESPECIALLY for those not intimately connected with SV in America. I'd definitely be having these thoughts a bit more often if I was someone in another country that found out my govt is using their…

imn a software engineer/entrepreneur .. and i’m british, and that article is about UK public services ... so this isn’t distant or abstract for me .. aslo, SV isnt some monolith I’m disconnected from .. even without living there .. its companies (especially those ones that can be seen from this original poster (imbecile ?) view point as evil have materially shaped my career and opportunities in ways that wouldn’t hav…

I didn't reduce it to "us vs. them", I said that they and their CEO are creepy. You took that personally because you parasocially love Daddy Alex.

Re: Palantir has no place in UK public services

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Post by MagicMoonlight »

tombert wrote: post #12

The more I read about Palantir, the creepier and weirder it becomes. The CEO brags about wanting to kill all journalists with fentanyl, or brags about how their software will be used to kill people, and how readily they're willing to work for the convicted fraudster that America felt fit to give the nuclear codes. And despite this company being creepy and weird and bizarre and secretive, they are also trying to make…

Aww, they’re sold out

Re: Palantir has no place in UK public services

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Post by tombert »

MagicMoonlight wrote: post #67
tombert wrote: post #12

The more I read about Palantir, the creepier and weirder it becomes. The CEO brags about wanting to kill all journalists with fentanyl, or brags about how their software will be used to kill people, and how readily they're willing to work for the convicted fraudster that America felt fit to give the nuclear codes. And despite this company being creepy and weird and bizarre and secretive, they are also trying to make…

Aww, they’re sold out

I know! How will I get Alex Karp to notice me now????

Re: Palantir has no place in UK public services

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Post by lifestyleguru »

chrishare wrote: post #46
hexbin010 wrote: post #36

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Well, protesting is illegal now

It's not illegal, you just get shot is all

First one by one but slowly getting to Iran levels. If it feels unthinkable, the current events were unthinkable three years ago.

Re: Palantir has no place in UK public services

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Post by jen20 »

jacquesm wrote: post #41
notpushkin wrote: post #11

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Because it’s not a dev problem, it’s a sales problem.

It is much more complicated than that. (1) Europe has a fragmented market; linguistically, product wise (2) Silicon Valley is in the United States (3) The United States has a very large amount of capital to throw at companies (4) even if you managed to succeed in the EU your shares will most likely be bought out from under you if you raised capital (5) all of the above re-inforce each other over time Once you have th…

It is worth noting that only one of the “big three” clouds is in Silicon Valley - indeed, much of the original development work on what became AWS was done in South Africa!
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