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Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal Quetzal released

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Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal Quetzal released

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Post by nnq »

Random_Person wrote: post #53
BitMastro wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was so fond of Ubuntu before they introduced Unity or Gnome 3. It was so responsive, easy enough for a beginner, yet it was not in the way for an expert user (apart for the lack of regex in the default editor, perhaps). I tried Xubuntu, Kubuntu and other distros, but I kept going back to the default Ubuntu one. I used it as my only OS for years, but now sadly it's the opposite and I boot it only when I need it. I g…

I'm the opposite. I' used XFCE for a decade and stuck by it because it felt familiar... it felt like home. With the release of 12.04, I switched to vanilla Ubuntu because I feel that will be what I see the most in the tech industry and I wanted to get use to it. It took about 2 days to get used to it, but now I find myself super+(search term) for everything instead of trying to find stuff in an applications list and…

you can just install gnome-do on Xubuntu and you'll have the same search based workflow in the interface you're used to and the Ubuntu base below.

I TRIED to like Ubuntu's Unity, but the fact that I can't either: (a) right click things like panels and choose 'configure' or 'properties' and adjust everything to my liking [the Windows way, that I still prefer] or (b) have a goddamn' config/settings center where I can actually adjust the UI settings I care of [the KDE and Xfce way that works...] ...I mean, I still don't know how to disable window grouping for the damn "taskbar"

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal Quetzal released

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Post by morsch »

trotsky wrote: post #58

I'm sure I'm in the minority here, but I actually like the innovations canonical keeps bringing to unity (although I'm not in love with the amazon searches). My problem with it is execution - run gnome shell on the identical hardware and it will always run circles* around unity especially in terms ui responsiveness. Just press the super key after you've been doing something else for a while and start typing - in my e…

I always thought Unity was all right in general, Compiz in particular has a wealth of functionality that just doesn't exist yet in Gnome3. The Unity dock is very good, particularly the way it deals with multiple application windows (broadly: first click: bring LRU to front, second click: expose all application windows).

But I still think the "Lenses" thing is just awful. It's fine for starting a specific application by typing in the name (the most basic "Quicksilver" functionality). It used to be really slow, but I think that's better now. It still sucks for application discovery, which the old hierarchical menu excels at. And the other lenses are mostly just silly: you've got this simplistic interface, and people are trying to shoehorn all kinds of use cases into it. Look at [0] and [1]. Some of those would be much more useful if they weren't limited by the restrictions of the Lens framework (others are just hopeless).

Fortunately the lenses are easy enough to ignore.

[0] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/01/10-unity-lenses-scopes [1] http://askubuntu.com/questions/38772/what-lenses-for-unity-a...

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal Quetzal released

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Post by nnq »

PBxdId7wFr wrote: post #56
Random_Person wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm the opposite. I' used XFCE for a decade and stuck by it because it felt familiar... it felt like home. With the release of 12.04, I switched to vanilla Ubuntu because I feel that will be what I see the most in the tech industry and I wanted to get use to it. It took about 2 days to get used to it, but now I find myself super+(search term) for everything instead of trying to find stuff in an applications list and…

install nautilus-open-terminal.

...now I just need to figure out how to make nautilus-open-terminal open a guake terminal tab instead and I'm in UI nirvana (too bad it's probably gonna take 4+ hrs X( )

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal Quetzal released

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Post by nnq »

How are people's experiences with using Juju based setups on real production servers? Was anyone "lazy" enough to try this?

-- EDIT (adding context): the article says about the use-case for Juju "configuring and setting up complex services with lots of application components can still be a bit tricky"... then goes on to give a basic LAMP WordPress setup... the thing is that a LAMP WP setup is neither complex nor it has lots of components, it's basically the "drop dead simplest" case of web app deployment, so they are clearly missing the point using this as an example :|

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal Quetzal released

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Post by zanny »

trotsky wrote: post #58

I'm sure I'm in the minority here, but I actually like the innovations canonical keeps bringing to unity (although I'm not in love with the amazon searches). My problem with it is execution - run gnome shell on the identical hardware and it will always run circles* around unity especially in terms ui responsiveness. Just press the super key after you've been doing something else for a while and start typing - in my e…

I tried Gnome Shell again 2 days ago with the 3.6 release.

You can't configure it without an absurd number of extensions, the default interface makes me want to punch kittens, and it wiped my groups policy and network profiles so I am still trying to repair my startup procedure, and right now I need to manually start network-manager each time.

I won't blame that necessarily on Gnome Shell though. I will say I don't care how speedy it is, I can't use it for anything in its default state, and after a couple hours trying to get enough extensions to make it manageable, I just gave up. If I want a Gnome 3 desktop I'll use Cinnamon.

The only plus for Gnome Shell is that the system + search syntax that I love from many modern desktops works, but it also works in Unity (albeit slowly) and Cinnamon (albeit not as well, Cinnamon doesn't intelligently reorder results, it just lists them alphabetically).

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal Quetzal released

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Post by aes256 »

EwanToo wrote: post #52
aes256 wrote: post #50

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Yet it hasn't actually been released. The download links on the website all point to 12.04, and 12.10 is not available through the update manager yet either. Looks like Ars jumped the gun.

It's in the update manager, I ran the upgrade a couple of hours ago on a VM on my work PC, worked fine.

I can only get it to show up in update manager as a developer release, with a warning that it is still in beta.

This is using both the main and my local archive...

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal Quetzal released

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Post by jjm »

I question whether it is more profitable to move forward and have what amounts to really good devs build mashups than to go back and focus on OS stability and core functionality (the thing which you arm sales people with when selling to corp, and that provides for greater general user loyalty).

The immediate rebuttals for my comment will be (1) user studies, (2) the os is fine, (3) were making money, (4) customers told us.

The not so obvious rebuttals will be: (1) someone told us to do these, (2) we've reached user and customer saturation, (3) desktops aren't the rage, (4) core customer/users moved to using server only and were reeling them in to desktop, (5) corporate entities cannot perceive enough value thus all the new mashups.

It is this second set which I want to hear discussed and why they are or aren't the case.

Basically my guess is that core users are moving away from where these guys are spending money and they think spending more in the area will bring them back.

take with a grain of salt but the marketing theory is people when obtaining something (convinced or otherwise) will benefit if product in context serves all their needs and more if possible. That grey area or boundry of core->nice to have is what is in question here. The more they use it, and the more it serves them, the more likely they will return to it (product context). Take with a grain of salt.

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal Quetzal released

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Post by Random_Person »

nnq wrote: post #61
Random_Person wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm the opposite. I' used XFCE for a decade and stuck by it because it felt familiar... it felt like home. With the release of 12.04, I switched to vanilla Ubuntu because I feel that will be what I see the most in the tech industry and I wanted to get use to it. It took about 2 days to get used to it, but now I find myself super+(search term) for everything instead of trying to find stuff in an applications list and…

you can just install gnome-do on Xubuntu and you'll have the same search based workflow in the interface you're used to and the Ubuntu base below. I TRIED to like Ubuntu's Unity, but the fact that I can't either: (a) right click things like panels and choose 'configure' or 'properties' and adjust everything to my liking [the Windows way, that I still prefer] or (b) have a goddamn' config/settings center where I can a…

Yes, that's fine and all, but Xubuntu no longer (for me) has the lightweight advantage that it once had over Ubuntu and I have seen (again, personally) significant performance gains from Ubuntu OVER Xubuntu. Once you have to start installing GTK and KDE toolkits just to be productive on Xubuntu, it becomes quite heavy.

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal Quetzal released

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Post by autotravis »

trotsky wrote: post #58

I'm sure I'm in the minority here, but I actually like the innovations canonical keeps bringing to unity (although I'm not in love with the amazon searches). My problem with it is execution - run gnome shell on the identical hardware and it will always run circles* around unity especially in terms ui responsiveness. Just press the super key after you've been doing something else for a while and start typing - in my e…

I noticed the lag with pressing the super key in unity, as well. Then I found out that Super+a is apps, Super+m is music, etc and that anyone of those is usually faster in coming up than a pure Super (for the default lens or whatever). I'm wondering if it's "waiting" just a bit for that +[a,m,etc]...

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal Quetzal released

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Post by autotravis »

arocks wrote: post #42
lhnn wrote: post #26

Everyone has their own preferred setup, and that's great! It's part of what makes FOSS great: Your choice. My choice is Xubuntu. I've been using Xubuntu on my laptop for the past 6 months, and the 12.10 beta for the past two. The link below is my tasklist after install to really make Xubuntu shine. Oh! And now with updates to the Ubiquity installer, FDE can be done with the GUI instead of fiddling with the debian-ins…

Thanks for this. I have been on the lookout for a lightweight OS like Crunchbag to upgrade my desktop from Ubuntu 10.10. Being a intermediate user, I do not want a lot of bells and whistles but appreciate a more responsive system. I manage a lot of Ubuntu servers so I would prefer an Ubuntu development environment as well. In fact, I am seriously considering using a virtual machine for this purpose.

If you want responsiveness, check out openbox. For intermediate users, the setup isn't difficult.
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