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Re: FBI raids Washington Post reporter's home

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

embedding-shape wrote: post #47
eunoia wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you’re fundamentally right. Trump is obviously the worst we’ve seen yet, but power has been accumulating unchecked in the executive branch’s hands for decades now. Trump is merely a symptom of the problem that is the Imperial Presidency. If we can’t tackle the problem itself we’ll get another politician doing the exact same shit after Trump.

Indeed, don't blame the individual (all thought the individual has plenty of individual blame going their way, rightfully so), blame the system. Unless the system changes, it'll continue to let people misuse it to their own gain. Trump was hardly the first one, and depending on how things will go, he might be the last, but "last" in a good way or in a bad way remains to be seen.

I absolutely blame the individual.

Who is responsible for the system if not the individual - and the collective thereof?

The fundamental problem is the citizen not being educated or caring enough about their own independence and state of being in the framework of a global economy and sovereign nation state

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Post by backscratches »

technothrasher wrote: post #39
nutjob2 wrote: post #28

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Because it's appropriate and descriptive?

We're actually dumber than the frogs. The original 19th century experiment involving frogs that didn't jump out of heated water was using frogs who had had their brains destroyed. The question being asked was whether the escape reaction to hot water was caused by the brain or by something further down in the nervous system. With an intact brain, the frogs would jump out. Without one, they wouldn't. Question answered.

Exorbitant education costs and free flow of thought extinguishing media means Americans are the brainless frogs.

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Post by k2enemy »

Nifty3929 wrote: post #46
alsetmusic wrote: post #31

It'd be real cool if all the second amendment (guns) people cared as much about the first amendment (free speech and freedom of press). "They're gonna take my guns away!" Yet that never happens. But people are being targeted for what they say, for disagreeing publicly. That's real. And a lot of "patriots" don't seem to notice or care.

The guns haven't been taken away only because people do care so much about the 2nd amendment. Those people understand that the 2nd amendment is the only ultimate defense for the people against the government. I too wish people also cared as much about the 1st amendment, but sadly I think the tide is turning on that. Too many on both the right and left seem okay with censorship and harassment.

Kind of ironic that there's a big overlap in the venn diagram between 2nd amendment enthusiasts and the crowd that is cheering on the government's authoritarian actions.

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Post by Traubenfuchs »

DetectDefect wrote: post #42
HumblyTossed wrote: post #19

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This isn't hyperbole. They literally went to the king with gold in hands. There's no WAY they didn't open up their platforms to him.

What is especially insane is people STILL praise Apple for championing "privacy" - after Snowden, after China, after Trump ... the well-engineered sunk-cost fallacy is just too potent to resist, I guess.

Magical end to end protection in Meta and Apple (chat) software to protect you from… whom exactly?

MAYBE non US governments? They probably have deals with all the big governments allowing them to spy on their own people at least.

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Post by derektank »

Traubenfuchs wrote: post #24
HumblyTossed wrote: post #19

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This isn't hyperbole. They literally went to the king with gold in hands. There's no WAY they didn't open up their platforms to him.

> They literally went to the king with gold in hands. Exactly what I was thinking about when I was writing my comment. I can understand that big corpos are not our friends and are purely money driven, but publicly bribing the president with gold is on a level no one ever expected. Right in line with the Fifa peace price.

IDK, the FIFA world peace prize was completely unsurprising to me. It’s a massively corrupt institution and has been for decades. It’s out of the norm in a US context, for sure, but that kind of thing is penny ante for an organization whose Wikipedia article has multiple subsections on corruption

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA?wprov=sfti1#Corruption

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Post by weberer »

snowwrestler wrote: post #58
Traubenfuchs wrote: post #15

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You must accept that 3 letter agencies have full root access to any Tim Apple or Google device and will use it if they already went far enough to do an FBI raid on a reporter.

I don’t have to accept any assertion in the absence of evidence directly supporting it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM

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Post by everdrive »

edot wrote: post #2

"Natanson said her work had led to 1,169 new sources, “all current or former federal employees who decided to trust me with their stories”. She said she learned information “people inside government agencies weren’t supposed to tell me”, saying that the intensity of the work nearly “broke” her." Wow. So they're going to plug her phone in to whatever cracking tech they have and pull down the names of everyone who has…

It's important to note, that the law is not written such that it's only illegal to share classified information when you have a good president. I think a lot of us are very sympathetic when classified information is released to the public due to public interest, concern regarding government action, etc.

But it's still illegal. I'm not making a moral claim here. Rather, people who release classified information without authorization are breaking the law. If I rob a bank to feed my family vs. robbing a bank because it's fun, it's still illegal. A jury might be more or less sympathetic to my cause, but I will still be arrested and charged if the police can manage it.

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Post by shermantanktop »

6stringmerc wrote: post #53
cathyreisenwitz wrote: post #37

“When populists get into power, the rhetorical discourse frames tend to be used to implement successive autocratic measures, such as limiting opposition through electoral manipulation, thwarting the free press, changing the constitution in their own favor, and circumscribing minority, civil, political, and economic rights. Populists are usually not against electoral democracy per se, but rather at odds with liberal d…

So how does the cycle work? I’m not being sarcastic I actually find this a relevant and on-point summation. I happen to be very interested in the systemic consequences and results in Western history as much as is applicable in present USA. I’m glad to be a bystander and not participant, that’s for sure.

One final resolution is the guillotine, dangling upside down on a meat hook, or a bunker fire. Those are extreme but we have to wonder what will stop a specific leader from pushing so far that they meet such a fate. This personality type does not stop unless they have to.

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Post by srean »

mikeweiss wrote: post #34
lawn wrote: post #27

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Or they'll have ICE take them and they'll be deported or made to disappear. Some might even end up dying. That's how the US is right now.

That only works if they aren't U.S citizens... Which if they're working for the gov means they are. This administration is creative they will find other more 'legal' ways for retribution so the punishment sticks.

ICE is now close to being Trump's private police, funded by tax payer's money and beyond accountability.
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