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AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D sells for more than 9800X3D, enthusiasts flock to AM4 DDR4

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Re: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D sells for more than 9800X3D, enthusiasts flock to AM4 DDR4

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Post by alecco »

AnotherGoodName wrote: post #50
alecco wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NVIDIA models 4060/5050/5060 have only 8 PCIe lanes. Combine that with PCIe 3.0 and it becomes a problem.

X8 3.0 vs x8 4.0 and x8 5.0 benchmark comparisons. https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5060-t... I'll let others judge for themselves, personally I'd be tempted to get an x16 GPU since the 5800X3D is actually very near top of the line and the GPU should match the CPU imho but in general even the worst case of x8 GPU on a PCIE 3.0 motherboard doesn't seem to be the end of the world

I stand corrected, at least for gaming. I got burned in the past by 3.0 but it was for data processing.

Re: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D sells for more than 9800X3D, enthusiasts flock to AM4 DDR4

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Post by deltoidmaximus »

PeterStuer wrote: post #21
christkv wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think its the memory price checked and 32gb of ddr4 is a 170 eur while same size kit in ddr5 is over 400 now. If you want to build a cheap 1080p 1440p gaming desktop it all adds up.

The article claims "Second-hand prices for the 5800X3D average around $500-$600 on eBay. Some of the highest-selling units sold at nearly $800, showing how desperate some buyers are to buy AMD's best gaming chip that still uses DDR4 memory" This is absurd. "Average quoted" on ebay does not mean anything, neither dors their claim of "highest selling" which is "highest listed". Nobody is buying at these prices. People…

You can search sold auctions to get an idea for what things actually sell for. I saw the majority of 5800x3d selling for ~$500 so this looks to be mostly true to me.

Re: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D sells for more than 9800X3D, enthusiasts flock to AM4 DDR4

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Post by mrbungie »

re-thc wrote: post #44
faefox wrote: post #38

It may seem cute but economies only do this when they are very stressed.

> when they are very stressed DDR5 has gone up so much it just isn't worth it. 4-5x the price. Is this just "stress"?

It is stress in the consumer economy, everything is flocking and concentrating around AI related hardware due to better ROI.

Re: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D sells for more than 9800X3D, enthusiasts flock to AM4 DDR4

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Post by duffyjp »

I browsed thru my comment history to make sure I wasn't hallucinating. Just over a year ago I had priced out a used Xeon and 256GB kit on eBay for my old X99 board (DDR4) for under $300.

I did not pull the trigger. I did thankfully get it up to 64gb for ~ $50.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41100502

Re: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D sells for more than 9800X3D, enthusiasts flock to AM4 DDR4

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Post by thetr0ll »

system2 wrote: post #41
faefox wrote: post #38

It may seem cute but economies only do this when they are very stressed.

It didn't stop people from buying the most expensive cards and CPUs when the world was ending in COVID-19 days. Average Joe doesn't know anything about CPUs. This is a gaming community that squeezes the most out of each buck. I wouldn't use CPU market for economic prediction.

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Post by penultimatename »

duffyjp wrote: post #64

I browsed thru my comment history to make sure I wasn't hallucinating. Just over a year ago I had priced out a used Xeon and 256GB kit on eBay for my old X99 board (DDR4) for under $300. I did not pull the trigger. I did thankfully get it up to 64gb for ~ $50. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41100502

I double checked my RAM purchase from early September. $450 for 128GB of DDR5. That same RAM is now $1400.

I know it’s a bit naive to extrapolate from that, but something doesn’t smell right, the PC hardware market is clearly going through something, probably caused by the AI boom. I wonder what else is shifting that isn’t so apparent.

Re: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D sells for more than 9800X3D, enthusiasts flock to AM4 DDR4

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Post by re-thc »

mrbungie wrote: post #63
re-thc wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> when they are very stressed DDR5 has gone up so much it just isn't worth it. 4-5x the price. Is this just "stress"?

It is stress in the consumer economy, everything is flocking and concentrating around AI related hardware due to better ROI.

> everything is flocking and concentrating around AI related hardware due to better ROI

And they flocked to crypto and whatever else before.

i.e. this "consumer" economy is always last. It's never going to have better ROI.

Re: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D sells for more than 9800X3D, enthusiasts flock to AM4 DDR4

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Post by bigbadfeline »

mrbungie wrote: post #63
re-thc wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> when they are very stressed DDR5 has gone up so much it just isn't worth it. 4-5x the price. Is this just "stress"?

It is stress in the consumer economy, everything is flocking and concentrating around AI related hardware due to better ROI.

> It is stress in the consumer economy

The consumer economy is the reason for existence of everything else related to economics. Corps stressing the consumer economy is like the tail wagging and starving the dog. Amirite?

> everything is flocking and concentrating around AI related hardware due to better ROI

The "better ROI" is the results of crooked financial schemes that steal from the consumer economy and redistribute to corporate fancies.

The circular debt schemes being employed here are going to be bailed out by the consumers by inflation and starvation, outright bailouts of the CDS market are quite likely as well.

Re: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D sells for more than 9800X3D, enthusiasts flock to AM4 DDR4

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Post by bigbadfeline »

re-thc wrote: post #67
mrbungie wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is stress in the consumer economy, everything is flocking and concentrating around AI related hardware due to better ROI.

> everything is flocking and concentrating around AI related hardware due to better ROI And they flocked to crypto and whatever else before. i.e. this "consumer" economy is always last. It's never going to have better ROI.

> this "consumer" economy is always last. It's never going to have better ROI.

Facts of life, as it is today. Won't change without active engagement but without change of direction, the end is hell itself.

Re: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D sells for more than 9800X3D, enthusiasts flock to AM4 DDR4

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Post by momoschili »

Rohansi wrote: post #53
formerly_proven wrote: post #48

The 5800X3D is an almost four year old CPU (2022), which was the last major product on its platform (first product in 2016, last new chipset launched in 2020). The successor platform (AM5) was released just months later and is now about 2/3rds or so through its lifecycle. Normally an old, used CPU for a dead 10yo platform will go for a small fraction the MSRP. Not a multiple. Silicon economy seems in a good shape.

Despite it's age the 5800X3D is still one of the best CPUs you can get for gaming.

Best is a bit of an overstatement. It's middle of the pack (performing akin to a 7700, but significantly worse than AMD Zen 5 and the Intel 13th/14th gen). I think the main thing is that it is still plenty capable in 2025 if you're running at a reasonable setting for most games.

Certainly there are situations where it is still among kings like MSFS, but definitely not a leader in most games.

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