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Pop_OS 24.04 LTS with COSMIC desktop environment

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Re: Pop_OS 24.04 LTS with COSMIC desktop environment

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I think even if the company goes away we will see this continue. It modern it rust and some if its fundamentals are already used by other projects. Of course not same way, but its not just going away.

I was introduced to UNIX in 1993, Linux in 1995's Summmer, and have lost count how many X Windows desktops or windows managers have come and gone in 32 years.

But X has stuck around and to think all that just because everybody was afraid of Sun.

Re: Pop_OS 24.04 LTS with COSMIC desktop environment

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post #29

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AI dev - any chance it works well with nvidia 5xxx series cards?

Yes they have an Nvidia image and I just used it on a 5080 last weekend, worked perfect

Piggybacking on this… do all nvidia cards have the same issue with Linux drivers, where the fan won’t ever go below 30%? I have a 3090 on Ubuntu 24 and hours of googling netted nothing that worked.

Re: Pop_OS 24.04 LTS with COSMIC desktop environment

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I used to hear about COSMIC and think "Glad to see more choice, but I doubt this will go anywhere". I wanted a Sway-like experience but with a desktop experience, and so tried it. It's surprisingly good: a DE with powerful enough window tiling. It's now my daily driver. Since they're backed by a sole company, I'm still not convinced on their longevity, but remain hopeful! I'm not familiar with Pop OS, which I now rea…

I skimmed the linked story and I still don’t really know what POP!_OS is. They are using the Linux kernel and wrote their own desktop environment, but what’s in between that? Does it include all the GNU system tools? Is there a lot of software that takes advantage of the COSMIC desktop environment? Do they have an App Store? Is it closer to something like Ubuntu or is it more like Android?

The fact that the version is 24.04 LTS is a dead giveaway that it's ubuntu under the hood.

I thought this was pretty obvious.

Re: Pop_OS 24.04 LTS with COSMIC desktop environment

#64

Wow, I had heard they were late but didn't realize it was over a year and a half. Note that if you're that far behind on a project, the rational choice is to significantly cut its scope, and push the rest to the following releases.

Same though from me. Like WTF, we're about 4,5 months away from 26.04 LTS and they're just launching 24.04 NOW?!

How is this supposed to convince people who are already happy with the KDE or Gnome or other variants of Ubuntu and which ship without such monumental delays, thay they should switch to Popos variant of Ubuntu?

Such a long delay isn't reassuring at all.

Re: Pop_OS 24.04 LTS with COSMIC desktop environment

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PopOS 20/22 was the first "as good as mac" desktop linux experience IMO. Didn't really need to improve on it from my POV since Chrome and Steam and Proton apps worked in it just great. I'm doing the upgrade now, I hope I don't regret it.

Been running Cosmic releases since the later alphas and through the beta cycle without issue... will update in the next few days to full release. Looking forward to it.

There are a couple less than ideal edges IMO, but it's gotten to be a very solid experience. I've been really happy with Pop+Cosmic myself. I appreciate that they keep the kernel more current than upstream Ubuntu as well.

Re: Pop_OS 24.04 LTS with COSMIC desktop environment

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Wow, I had heard they were late but didn't realize it was over a year and a half. Note that if you're that far behind on a project, the rational choice is to significantly cut its scope, and push the rest to the following releases.

For what it's worth.. it's based on Ubuntu 24.04, which is where their version starts... they're much more up to date on the kernel, a lot of the packages are newer than upstream as well. It's a more current LTS than what Ubuntu offers, but they keep the version number.

Also, they didn't do a release while COSMIC desktop was under development, and the release cycle was alpha/beta on a full baseline to match the COSMIC development... unless you think you can develop a full DE in Rust faster than that.

Re: Pop_OS 24.04 LTS with COSMIC desktop environment

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post #18

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Does it use snap packages?

They attempt to avoid them, though snaps are still available if you wish. Flatpak is installed by default and used by their app store, and Firefox is packaged as a deb so you can avoid the snap. I consider it a deshittified Ubuntu.

> I consider it a deshittified Ubuntu.

This is more or less what I have used Linux Mint for (their Cinnamon desktop version is pretty okay, also used the XFCE one).

Nice to have more options!

Re: Pop_OS 24.04 LTS with COSMIC desktop environment

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post #9

I use Pop!_OS for my gaming PC and I generally enjoy it. It could do with less punctuation in the name because it makes it harder to search the internet for distro specific information.

I just use "PopOS" as the name myself in reference, a lot of others do the same... I agree the actual marketing format is kind of ridiculous.

Re: Pop_OS 24.04 LTS with COSMIC desktop environment

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post #8

I guess that also means the first stable release of Cosmic - congrats to the team! Honestly I expected it to be delayed more, so good on them for pulling that off. Hopefully it's actually stable.

It's been pretty stable for me since the later alphas when I switched. The only real hiccups I've noticed have been with keyboard only navigation in a few areas, mouse has always worked well. I'd guess that A11y is also less than ideal as well, so if you're reliant on a screen reader or the like, best to wait quite a while longer until iced etc. catch up.

Re: Pop_OS 24.04 LTS with COSMIC desktop environment

#70

Is there any reason why I'd want this release instead of waiting for 26.04?

FWIW, it's still an LTS release with support ahead of upstream. ex: the kernel and several software packages are more current than upstream Ubuntu. I'd also suspect that the integration for 26.04 may take a month or so, so you'll likely be waiting closer to 6mo for 26.04 from Pop vs Ubuntu.
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