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Bird flu viruses are resistant to fever, making them a major threat to humans

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Re: Bird flu viruses are resistant to fever, making them a major threat to humans

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Huh. I don’t know if I’m picking up what they’re putting down here, but it kind of sounds like suppressing fever e.g. with Tylenol would actually be bad for (normal) flu progression.

Well, yes?

Very simplified... It is a suppressor of symptoms like pain and fever which are the bodies way of letting you know something is damaged and killing off unknown foreign bodies respectively.

Suppressing symptoms does not remove the cause and is not a cure.

Re: Bird flu viruses are resistant to fever, making them a major threat to humans

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Ultra processed foods is not a well defined category, so saying avoid UPFs is meaningless. There are several “UPFs” that have better health outcomes than NOVA 1 “unprocessed” foods, because the NOVA system was never developed to categorize foods by how healthy they were but instead how closely they matched a fairly regional Brazilian diet. There is no evidence that “seed oils” are bad beyond their caloric density, an…

1. The idea that UPFs being poorly defined == UPF is a meaningless designation has always sounded like absurd whataboutism that stops real progress to me. Surely you don't mean to suggest that just because UPFs aren't perfectly defined, that means there's no fundamental difference between a diet composed of skittles, donuts, and ice cream cookie sandwiches versus a diet composed of organic, plant-based whole foods, r…

Skittles are bad for reasons having nothing to do with "ultraprocessing". This is just the new incarnation of people believing Mexican Coke is healthier because it's made with cane sugar instead of corn syrup.

Re: Bird flu viruses are resistant to fever, making them a major threat to humans

#64

Huh. I don’t know if I’m picking up what they’re putting down here, but it kind of sounds like suppressing fever e.g. with Tylenol would actually be bad for (normal) flu progression.

I know someone who doesn't get fever. When he gets sick with regular cold or fly it's much longer and worse than for anyone else I know.

Re: Bird flu viruses are resistant to fever, making them a major threat to humans

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I am not sure how dangerous it is. Not saying it is not but maybe hyperbole. I have been hearing this and the climate change stuff since I was young as a threat to humans and I think there must be a lot more than science in here, at least, in my humble opinion.

Flu has a long track record in causing pandemics with new variants, e.g., the Spanish flu in 1918–1920. Outbreaks spread much faster now thanks to air travel. We do have the advantages of P2 masks and mRNA vaccines.

Re: Bird flu viruses are resistant to fever, making them a major threat to humans

#66

Huh. I don’t know if I’m picking up what they’re putting down here, but it kind of sounds like suppressing fever e.g. with Tylenol would actually be bad for (normal) flu progression.

Well, yes? Very simplified... It is a suppressor of symptoms like pain and fever which are the bodies way of letting you know something is damaged and killing off unknown foreign bodies respectively. Suppressing symptoms does not remove the cause and is not a cure.

I think what they're saying here is that you're not just suppressing a symptom, you're suppressing a sickness fighting mechanism.

Re: Bird flu viruses are resistant to fever, making them a major threat to humans

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During the 20th century the American government (as well as others) put a lot of effort into finding ways to control people. Drugs, control of the media, MK Ultra and Mockingbird are just two examples of many. Everything more or less failed. Dosing unsuspecting civilians with LSD doesn't have much useful effect. But one thing worked, and they should have known it all along. Fear. If you can make people afraid, you ca…

“They want us to fear birds” is wild man

Alfred hitchcock was ahead of his time.

Re: Bird flu viruses are resistant to fever, making them a major threat to humans

#68

Huh. I don’t know if I’m picking up what they’re putting down here, but it kind of sounds like suppressing fever e.g. with Tylenol would actually be bad for (normal) flu progression.

Our pediatrician didn’t want us to give Tylenol unless the fever was over 99.5 and not to bring them in unless it was over 101 with Tylenol.

Re: Bird flu viruses are resistant to fever, making them a major threat to humans

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post #35

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People used to literally live with the livestock attached to home or even under the same roof. This was probably the case for most of agricultural history. Factory farming is bad, over use of antibiotics in live stock is bad. But OP's point is that this is how many of the diseases in human history and therefor unlikely we would ever be able to avoid this while raising animals for food. As they said, both are true

I can't speak for OP, they may have been advocating for giving up farming animals (or fowl) altogether, but personally I see a huge inflection point between traditional and factory farming methods with regards to the level of risk. When you are compromising the immunity of your livestock, you beg trouble. I understand the temptation to zoom out to a several hundred year timespan, that can be clarifying. But when (as…

Consider how many fewer people interact with livestock now than before factory farms.

I don't know if it matters but there are significantly fewer farmers than there used to be by several orders of magnitude.

Also, before cars, the streets of major cities were covered in horse shit.

Re: Bird flu viruses are resistant to fever, making them a major threat to humans

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Well, yes? Very simplified... It is a suppressor of symptoms like pain and fever which are the bodies way of letting you know something is damaged and killing off unknown foreign bodies respectively. Suppressing symptoms does not remove the cause and is not a cure.

I think what they're saying here is that you're not just suppressing a symptom, you're suppressing a sickness fighting mechanism.

He said that.
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