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The Farmer Was Replaced [video]

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Re: The Farmer Was Replaced [video]

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Post by gsf_emergency_4 »

9rx wrote: post #60
ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> democratic. Which means that the government and the people are the very same thing This is an unrealistic, idealistic assumption which evidence does not bear out. Examples: Ask people whether they think "farmer" includes non-owning cultivators; Look at majorities voting and losing due to things like the electoral college; Look at gerrymandering seeking to minimize government representation of the people. If the gov…

> Ask people what they think "farming" includes non-owning cultivators "Farming" usually refers to all that surrounds the entire activity. That includes farmers, farmhands, supportive family, etc. But we've been talking about "farmer". With that, I'll assume you accidentally mistyped "farmer". Let's take a look at a practical example. Soybean and cattle farmers have recently been all over the news with stories about…

Google AI: Farmer

comes from the Middle English word ferme, meaning "rent" or "fixed payment," which in turn comes from the Anglo-French fermer ("to rent") and medieval Latin firma. These terms are ultimately rooted in the Latin word firmus, meaning "strong" or "firm". The modern agricultural meaning developed because land was often held under a fixed-payment lease, or "fee farm," and since most such land was agricultural, the terms became synonymous.

Feels to me that demos who disagree tend to make the politically-expedient substitute "peasant" without thinking too much about it

some French folks might also think of tax-collectors..

Re: The Farmer Was Replaced [video]

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Post by vrighter »

soultrees wrote: post #55
vrighter wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had spent ages optimizing my maze solver ( https://github.com/VrIgHtEr/TheFarmerSolvedAMaze ). Meticulously going over which operations take how many ticks. But then the dev made a bunch of breaking changes and couldn't be bothered to rewrite everything.

Run an agent on it. This is what they excel at.

Why the fuck would I want an AI to play my games for me?????

Re: The Farmer Was Replaced [video]

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

9rx wrote: post #60
ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> democratic. Which means that the government and the people are the very same thing This is an unrealistic, idealistic assumption which evidence does not bear out. Examples: Ask people whether they think "farmer" includes non-owning cultivators; Look at majorities voting and losing due to things like the electoral college; Look at gerrymandering seeking to minimize government representation of the people. If the gov…

> Ask people what they think "farming" includes non-owning cultivators "Farming" usually refers to all that surrounds the entire activity. That includes farmers, farmhands, supportive family, etc. But we've been talking about "farmer". With that, I'll assume you accidentally mistyped "farmer". Let's take a look at a practical example. Soybean and cattle farmers have recently been all over the news with stories about…

> Let's take a look at a practical example.

Yes, lets! No need to complicate this: Ask a sufficiently large sample of people whether they think a non-owner who cultivates land on a farm is a farmer, and you will find that most do. For more confirmation, consult a dictionary to see whether the term includes this person (hint: it does).

> "farmer" is deemed to be the business owner

Since we are currently talking about what most people consider the word to mean as a general rule, not a specific person using it in a particular way, "farmer" is deemed to be more expansive than that, including non-owners whose job is cultivation on a farm. We know this not only from anecdotal observation but also because there are people whose job it is to try to determine how people use words, and that is what they have determined is most common.

> The meaning of the word is how the speaker (or author) has decided to use it.

Not quite. The meaning of a word is what most people say it is. If a speaker uses an incomprehensible, made-up word, and the audience derives no meaning from the word, then there is no meaning in the word. The speaker has failed to convey the meaning in their head, into words.

> [extensive snide defense of your personal attacks on HN posters]

Your insistence that your attacks on other posters are okay because you typed them onto your screen is unfortunate. Please consult the HN guidelines on the matter, rather than your pre-existing opinions.

Re: The Farmer Was Replaced [video]

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Post by 9rx »

ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #63
9rx wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Ask people what they think "farming" includes non-owning cultivators "Farming" usually refers to all that surrounds the entire activity. That includes farmers, farmhands, supportive family, etc. But we've been talking about "farmer". With that, I'll assume you accidentally mistyped "farmer". Let's take a look at a practical example. Soybean and cattle farmers have recently been all over the news with stories about…

> Let's take a look at a practical example. Yes, lets! No need to complicate this: Ask a sufficiently large sample of people whether they think a non-owner who cultivates land on a farm is a farmer, and you will find that most do. For more confirmation, consult a dictionary to see whether the term includes this person (hint: it does). > "farmer" is deemed to be the business owner Since we are currently talking about…

> The meaning of a word is what most people say it is.

Interesting. Most people say that "gift" is a present. A much smaller set of people — those who speak German — say it is poison. That could lead to some awkwardness (even death). Luckily that's not how it actually works. That idea is logically flawed in so many ways.

> including non-owners whose job is cultivation on a farm.

Okay. Why, then, do you believe people are so concerned about the soybean farmers collecting a fixed wage? It is not like low soybean prices means anything to them. They get paid either way. Why would there be consideration for a bailout be extended to them on top?

> The speaker has failed to convey their meaning in their head, into words.

A rambling speaker may lose sight of what they were trying to say as the growing combination of words start to pile on, but a single word is highly unlikely to lose the intent. If you intended "foo" to mean one thing when you said it, you are still likely to consider "foo" to mean the same thing when you revisit what you produced a few minutes later. So, no, this is not true in any meaningful sense. The meaning is encoded just fine.

Third-party consumers may misinterpret it, sure, but that's their problem. It wasn't produced for them anyway.

> Your insistence that your attacks on other posters are okay because you typed them onto your screen is unfortunate.

"Okay" is found nowhere in said comment. Rather, it explains that what you claim is impossible. A computer screen cannot attack you. It goes on to speculate on what you did experience and that remains the most likely explanation.

> Please consult the HN guidelines on the matter

I see nothing in there about summoning a computer screen to launch an attack, I'm afraid. It is very possible that we do not have a shared understanding of words here (we've already established that as being so elsewhere). Your usage holds force, of course. You are the producer in this case. But that does mean I am in the position of being the consumer misinterpreting it, possibly.

Re: The Farmer Was Replaced [video]

#65

Post by 9rx »

sebstefan wrote: post #57
9rx wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Being a farmer isn't owning a farm Not according to the government. To legally become a farmer you need farm receipts of a certain amount or more. Selling your labour to a farmer is not that. And not according to the dictionary either. There are multiple words surrounding this topic for good reason. > Farmhands are farmers. It is possible that a farmer also works on his farm, or another farmer's farm for that matte…

> Actually, we were talking about some pedantic take on the word "replace", which transitioned into a pedantic take on the word "farmer". There is no discussion about a game going on in this thread. This indicates that you didn't bother to read the thread before replying. Why? ? No the entire thing is about the game and the word "replace" in the title.

Initially there was a short quip about the game "looking fun and pretty" to establish the segue into what we actually are talking about. Beyond that there is nothing about the game.

Did you, uh, misread "thread" as "threads"? There are certainly other threads entirely about the game, but not this one.

Re: The Farmer Was Replaced [video]

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Post by Aachen »

mixel wrote: post #8
ceving wrote: post #6

Is this Windows only?

No the game is also fully playable on linux via Proton (About other platforms I have no clue)

If you get it working. They don't seem to have an own website, the publisher links to Steam as the only place to purchase it, and Steam says it's only supported on Windows. Surely you can work around it with VMs, emulation, or other solutions, but sadly the creator declines to support that
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