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Thunderbird Pro August 2025 Update

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Re: Thunderbird Pro August 2025 Update

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Post by godelski »

mnmalst wrote: post #52
jraph wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure you can still go on without the extra services, and you can still donate if you want to. I see no reason for Thunderbird to be enshitified. Thunderbird is also not Mozilla anymore.

I agree fully but Thunderbird is operated by MZLA Technologies Corporation, which is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Mozilla Foundation, so while Thunderbird is part of the broader Mozilla family, it operates independently and is managed as its own entity. They left Mozilla at some point but later joined again.

And?

Re: Thunderbird Pro August 2025 Update

#62

Post by uncircle »

wakawaka28 wrote: post #53
uncircle wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you like Thunderbird better than Fastmail’s UI? I’ve always felt TB to be clunky, outdated with an ecosystem of abandoned extensions that haven’t been updated since GMail got popular, but I haven’t tried it in the last 3 years to see if it got better.

If you want to have your email offline, you must use an application built for that. Thunderbird has its shortcomings but it does actually do the job. Web user interfaces have their place (such as on phones, which make development harder), but there is no replacing the desktop email client.

Fair, though in this day and age I find being offline is quite a rare event, and when it happens (I’m driving in the middle of nowhere), I don’t need my emails.

I’ll give TB another try. Web apps always feel terrible.

Re: Thunderbird Pro August 2025 Update

#63

Post by omnimus »

josteink wrote: post #49
paulryanrogers wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like?

Source: https://lunduke.locals.com/post/4387539/firefox-money-invest... I know people here don’t like Bryan Lunduke, but besides the opinions added, this is factual, sourced reporting.

That kinda proves they would spend it on executive salaries. As the spend on "radical groups" in the article is almost nothing compared to salaries of their management.

Re: Thunderbird Pro August 2025 Update

#64

Post by wakawaka28 »

uncircle wrote: post #62
wakawaka28 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you want to have your email offline, you must use an application built for that. Thunderbird has its shortcomings but it does actually do the job. Web user interfaces have their place (such as on phones, which make development harder), but there is no replacing the desktop email client.

Fair, though in this day and age I find being offline is quite a rare event, and when it happens (I’m driving in the middle of nowhere), I don’t need my emails. I’ll give TB another try. Web apps always feel terrible.

It's not about being away from the internet (for me), it's about keeping my data on my own machine. I'm still trying to figure out how to delete everything from the server and still have my own copy. But that is kind of a niche requirement these days. It's better for everything to stay available on the server, usually.

Re: Thunderbird Pro August 2025 Update

#65

Post by wsmwk »

jannes wrote: post #34
newscracker wrote: post #5

Here’s the link for anyone wanting to join the waitlist for Thundermail (the service): https://www.thundermail.com/ I really hope this takes off well and provides some funding for the Thunderbird project too. Currently the only way to monetarily support Thunderbird is through donations ( https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/donate/ ).

> [...] support Thunderbird is through donations I doubt donations to MZLA Technologies Corporation will reach the Thunderbird project in any meaningful way. They'll just use it to pay their executive salaries.

> I doubt donations to MZLA Technologies Corporation will reach the Thunderbird project in any meaningful way.

You are basing this statement on what data?

https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/donate is managed by MZLA, it has one open source product, Thunderbird. We pay a required Thunderbird trademark fee to the Mozilla Foundation and little more than that, which is captured in https://stats.thunderbird.net/#financials.

Re: Thunderbird Pro August 2025 Update

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Post by wsmwk »

josteink wrote: post #49
paulryanrogers wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like?

Source: https://lunduke.locals.com/post/4387539/firefox-money-invest... I know people here don’t like Bryan Lunduke, but besides the opinions added, this is factual, sourced reporting.

Perhaps factual - I can't say.

But it's a different company. EOM.

Re: Thunderbird Pro August 2025 Update

#67

Post by jraph »

godelski wrote: post #61
mnmalst wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree fully but Thunderbird is operated by MZLA Technologies Corporation, which is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Mozilla Foundation, so while Thunderbird is part of the broader Mozilla family, it operates independently and is managed as its own entity. They left Mozilla at some point but later joined again.

And?

And they are still technically somewhat Mozilla indeed (but note this commenter wrote they fully agree with my comment)

Re: Thunderbird Pro August 2025 Update

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Post by jraph »

rollcat wrote: post #39
nik736 wrote: post #17

I am still waiting for the announced redesign in 2022 [0] :-) [0]: https://www.omglinux.com/major-thunderbird-redesign-early-lo...

I really wish we could make uniformity a trend again. GTK has basically made it a rule that applications must do whatever the heck they want. Then next day I'm using Inkscape on a Mac. Cmd-A on the canvas selects all elements. Cmd-A in a text field selects all elements on the canvas - and whatever text was in the field, now applies to the selection, so I start typing and instantly get garbage. How do you Select All i…

Thunderbird is technically rendered with GTK on Linux, but is mostly written using web tech. They are mostly not GTK, I'm don't think GTK is even involved on Windows for instance (don't know about Mac). For this reason, I doubt they will follow everything gtk Gnome does.

Re: Thunderbird Pro August 2025 Update

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Post by godelski »

jraph wrote: post #67
godelski wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And?

And they are still technically somewhat Mozilla indeed (but note this commenter wrote they fully agree with my comment)

Ok? And being Mozilla is a problem why? And what is the alternative and why?

Re: Thunderbird Pro August 2025 Update

#70

Post by josteink »

omnimus wrote: post #63
josteink wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Source: https://lunduke.locals.com/post/4387539/firefox-money-invest... I know people here don’t like Bryan Lunduke, but besides the opinions added, this is factual, sourced reporting.

That kinda proves they would spend it on executive salaries. As the spend on "radical groups" in the article is almost nothing compared to salaries of their management.

This article is from 2023. Recent years they’ve gone into decolonisation, Marxism, anti-capitalism and afro-centrism as well, just to mention a few.

No doubt though that the increase in executive salaries has been way beyond criticism as well.

Their finances seems a total mess and completely hijacked.

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