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Thunderbird Pro August 2025 Update

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Re: Thunderbird Pro August 2025 Update

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Post by josteink »

jannes wrote: post #34
newscracker wrote: post #5

Here’s the link for anyone wanting to join the waitlist for Thundermail (the service): https://www.thundermail.com/ I really hope this takes off well and provides some funding for the Thunderbird project too. Currently the only way to monetarily support Thunderbird is through donations ( https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/donate/ ).

> [...] support Thunderbird is through donations I doubt donations to MZLA Technologies Corporation will reach the Thunderbird project in any meaningful way. They'll just use it to pay their executive salaries.

Or support radical activist groups unrelated to software or technology.

Absolutely bonkers.

Re: Thunderbird Pro August 2025 Update

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Post by TiredOfLife »

ilvez wrote: post #38
NoSalt wrote: post #12

I'm hoping this doesn't mean that "regular" Thunderbird will be phased out. :-/

Adding these additional subscription services will never compromise the features, stability or functionality our users are accustomed to in the free Thunderbird desktop and mobile applications. These services come with real costs, especially storage and bandwidth. Charging for them helps ensure that users who benefit from these tools help cover their cost, instead of donors footing the bill.

> Adding these additional subscription services will never compromise the features, stability or functionality our users are accustomed to in the free Thunderbird desktop and mobile applications.

Has this been true ever?

Re: Thunderbird Pro August 2025 Update

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Post by homebrewer »

PopAlongKid wrote: post #20
alecsm wrote: post #6

> The upcoming email hosting service from Thunderbird will support IMAP, SMTP and JMAP out of the box Is there any email hosting out there with support for JMAP?

I much prefer POP, as I only send and receive emails on my desktop computer and I want to decide when I fetch new emails. Is there any way to make IMAP work more like POP?

fdm, imapsync, lots of similar alternatives. Synchronize email to your machine and then use any MUA, or even several of them, to read it from a local directory (Thunderbird also works AFAIK).

They can also remove email from the remote and keep just the local copy. Pretty much 1:1 with POP. I've been using this setup (with fdm) for probably more than a decade.

Re: Thunderbird Pro August 2025 Update

#44

Post by paulryanrogers »

josteink wrote: post #41
jannes wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> [...] support Thunderbird is through donations I doubt donations to MZLA Technologies Corporation will reach the Thunderbird project in any meaningful way. They'll just use it to pay their executive salaries.

Or support radical activist groups unrelated to software or technology. Absolutely bonkers.

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Re: Thunderbird Pro August 2025 Update

#45

Post by sherr »

pjerem wrote: post #37
sherr wrote: post #36

I've used Thunderbird ever since it was released as a standalone mail client and like it - although it has sometimes been a rocky experience in the past. I use it now with Fastmail as my mail provider. One thing I might be interested in is the "contacts" side of mail. In an effort to move away from too much Google, I ditched Google Contacts and host my own CardDAV using "Radicale" [0]. This works, and I also access i…

Is there a reason why you don’t use FastMail’s CalDav server ? https://www.fastmail.help/hc/en-us/articles/1500000278342-Se...

I had to think to recall the reason. I had a support ticket at Fastmail about this in 2024 - I wanted to host my own CardDAV server and have Fastmail use and sync to this. This was not possible - I was told that two-way sync with other services was a "calendar only feature". I might re-visit.

Re: Thunderbird Pro August 2025 Update

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Post by uncircle »

sherr wrote: post #36

I've used Thunderbird ever since it was released as a standalone mail client and like it - although it has sometimes been a rocky experience in the past. I use it now with Fastmail as my mail provider. One thing I might be interested in is the "contacts" side of mail. In an effort to move away from too much Google, I ditched Google Contacts and host my own CardDAV using "Radicale" [0]. This works, and I also access i…

Do you like Thunderbird better than Fastmail’s UI?

I’ve always felt TB to be clunky, outdated with an ecosystem of abandoned extensions that haven’t been updated since GMail got popular, but I haven’t tried it in the last 3 years to see if it got better.

Re: Thunderbird Pro August 2025 Update

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Post by Animats »

mnmalst wrote: post #2

> These services come with real costs, especially storage and bandwidth. Charging for them helps ensure that users who benefit from these tools help cover their cost, instead of donors footing the bill. This is the best way to monetize the extra sevices imo.

I don't want their extra services. Just a local email client. I already have servers. Do not want to have to have a "Thunderbird account" in the "cloud", with overreaching terms of service and privacy terms that weaken over time.

Mozilla tried this with "Pocket", then gave up. But as part of Pocket integration, Firefox bookmarks were made less useful. Wonder what will be enshittified in Thunderbird to force people to the "pro" services.

Re: Thunderbird Pro August 2025 Update

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Post by jraph »

Animats wrote: post #47
mnmalst wrote: post #2

> These services come with real costs, especially storage and bandwidth. Charging for them helps ensure that users who benefit from these tools help cover their cost, instead of donors footing the bill. This is the best way to monetize the extra sevices imo.

I don't want their extra services . Just a local email client. I already have servers. Do not want to have to have a "Thunderbird account" in the "cloud", with overreaching terms of service and privacy terms that weaken over time. Mozilla tried this with "Pocket", then gave up. But as part of Pocket integration, Firefox bookmarks were made less useful. Wonder what will be enshittified in Thunderbird to force people t…

I'm sure you can still go on without the extra services, and you can still donate if you want to.

I see no reason for Thunderbird to be enshitified.

Thunderbird is also not Mozilla anymore.

Re: Thunderbird Pro August 2025 Update

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Post by josteink »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #44
josteink wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or support radical activist groups unrelated to software or technology. Absolutely bonkers.

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Source: https://lunduke.locals.com/post/4387539/firefox-money-invest...

I know people here don’t like Bryan Lunduke, but besides the opinions added, this is factual, sourced reporting.

Re: Thunderbird Pro August 2025 Update

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Post by lquidfire »

> The upcoming email hosting service from Thunderbird will support IMAP, SMTP and JMAP out of the box

Ahh, will Thunderbird finally see full JMAP support? Hooray!

For the self-hosters (other than those using Stallwart):

Cyrus does, of course, support JMAP (it's what Fastmail uses); Dovecot has apparently no interest / no manpower to really implement it themselves, but are willing to take a contribution[0].

One day I am going to configure Cyrus just for JMAP.

[0]: https://dovecot.org/mailman3/archives/list/dovecot@dovecot.o...

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