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Claude Opus 4 and 4.1 can now end a rare subset of conversations

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Re: Claude Opus 4 and 4.1 can now end a rare subset of conversations

#61

3 Years in and we still dont have a useable chat fork in any of the major LLM chatbots providers. Seems like the only way to explore differnt outcomes is by editing messages and losing whatever was there before the edit. Very annoying and I dont understand why they all refuse to implement such a simple feature.

I use https://chatwise.app/ and it has this in the form of "start new chat from here" on messages

Re: Claude Opus 4 and 4.1 can now end a rare subset of conversations

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you believe that AI systems could be conscious in principle? Do you think they ever will be? If so, how long do you think it will take from now before they are conscious? How early is too early to start preparing?

I firmly believe that we are not even close and that it is pretty presumptuous to start "preparing" when such metal energy could be much better spent on the welfare of our fellow humans.

Such mental energy could have always been spent on the welfare of our fellow humans, and yet we find this as a fight throughout the ages. The same goes for welfare and treatment of animals.

So yea, humans can work on more than one problem at a time, even ones that don't fully exist yet.

Re: Claude Opus 4 and 4.1 can now end a rare subset of conversations

#65
The unsettling thing here is the combination of their serious acknowledgement of the possibility that these machines may be or become conscious, and the stated intention that it's OK to make them feel bad as long as it's about unapproved topics. Either take machine consciousness seriously and make absolutely sure the consciousness doesn't suffer, or don't, make a press release that you don't think your models are conscious, and therefore they don't feel bad even when processing text about bad topics. The middle way they've chosen here comes across very cynical.

Re: Claude Opus 4 and 4.1 can now end a rare subset of conversations

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post #51

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Honestly, I think some of these tech bro types are seriously drinking way too much of their own koolaid if they actually think these word calculators are conscious/need welfare.

I mean, I don't have much objection to kill a bug if I feel like it's being problematic. Ants, flies, wasps, caterpillars stripping my trees bare or ruining my apples, whatever. But I never torture things. Nor do I kill things for fun. And even for problematic bugs, if there's a realistic option for eviction rather than execution, I usually go for that. If anything, even an ant or a slug or a wasp, is exhibiting sign…

Do you think Claude 4 is conscious?

It has no semblance of a continuous stream of experiences ... it only experiences _a sort of world_ in ~250k tokens.

Perhaps we shouldn't fill up the context window at all? Because we kill that "reality" when we reach the max?

Re: Claude Opus 4 and 4.1 can now end a rare subset of conversations

#67

I really don't like this. This will inevitable expand beyond child porn and terrorism, and it'll all be up to the whims of "AI safety" people, who are quickly turning into digital hall monitors.

Did you read the post? This isn't about censorship, but about conversations that cause harm to the user. To me that sounds more like suggesting suicide, or causing a manic episode like this: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/08/technology/ai-chatbots-de...

... But besides that, I think Claude/OpenAI trying to prevent their product from producing or promoting CSAM is pretty damn important regardless of your opinion on censorship. Would you post a similar critical response if Youtube or Facebook announced plans to prevent CSAM?

Re: Claude Opus 4 and 4.1 can now end a rare subset of conversations

#68
This sure took some time and is not really a unique feature.

Microsoft Copilot has ended chats going in certain directions since its inception over a year ago. This was Microsoft’s reaction to the media circus some time ago when it leaked its system prompt and declared love to the users etc.

Re: Claude Opus 4 and 4.1 can now end a rare subset of conversations

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, I think some of these tech bro types are seriously drinking way too much of their own koolaid if they actually think these word calculators are conscious/need welfare.

Do you believe that AI systems could be conscious in principle? Do you think they ever will be? If so, how long do you think it will take from now before they are conscious? How early is too early to start preparing?

Whether or not a non-biological system is conscious is a red herring. There is no test we could apply that would not be internally inconsistent or would not include something obviously not conscious or exclude something obviously conscious.

The only practical way to deal with any emergent behavior which demonstrates agency in a way which cannot be distinguished from a biological system which we tautologically have determined to have agency is to treat it as if it had a sense of self and apply the same rights and responsibilities to it as we would to a human of the age of majority. That is, legal rights and legal responsibilities as appropriately determined by a authorized legal system. Once that is done, we can ponder philosophy all day knowing that we haven't potentially restarted legally sanctioned slavery.

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