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Another way electric cars clean the air: study says brake dust reduced by 83%

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Re: Another way electric cars clean the air: study says brake dust reduced by 83%

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Exactly. EVs are a band-aid, but the true cure is simply viable alternatives to driving .

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I have a full sized van. I know how much is costs to drive it. That's also why I own a Prius.

I see men commuting in late model pickups down 880 and I think it'd be the same as me tossing a dollar bill out the window every mile.

Re: Another way electric cars clean the air: study says brake dust reduced by 83%

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Anybody who ever driven an EV, would have told that the initial scare about brake dust was pure nonsense. EVs barely use frictional brakes, with regen performing most of the braking action. Frictional brakes only really come into play to slow down from around ~5 mph to a complete stop. And even that can be eliminated by essentially running the motor backwards, at low torque. This mode of braking is sometimes used on…

How does this generally work wrt brakes needing to be used occasionally to not rust shut? Even with an ICE car if you don't drive a lot, and drive in a fuel efficient way (e.g. coasting towards red lights) this can be an issue resulting in an expensive surprise when you need to replace disks long before they are worn out.

Some EVs (Teslas are ones I know of) have software that occasionally lightly applies the brakes to keep them clean.

Also, on EVs with LFP batteries the brakes do get used a bit more, because a full and/or cold pack usually can only take very limited power from regenerative braking. Depending on the implementation in the vehicle, brakes are either applied automatically to still allow for one-pedal-driving (aka. "brake blending", making the difference unnoticeable to the driver), or throttle-pedal regen is simply capped and the driver has to use the brake pedal when they notice that regen power is not sufficient.

Re: Another way electric cars clean the air: study says brake dust reduced by 83%

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I'm 99% sure this is a troll, but I hate to see misinformation go uncorrected. If this isn't a troll, you've been misled by fossil fuel industry propaganda, and I'm sorry. While EVs can be heavier, they often achieve high safety ratings due to their low center of gravity and robust battery protection. Advanced safety features are standard. Studies suggest that EV charging, especially when managed, can help stabilize…

It is not a troll. I was talking about safety for the drivers in the car that collide with the EV. They are less safe with EVs on the road. When we have marginal electricity pricing, and electric cars necessarily being marginal demand, then they will ramp pricing a lot for all users , not just those driving electric cars. This far outweighs the benefit of grid balancing services (which this green revolution has creat…

> I forgot to mention that once I lost 3% battery in waiting in the heat and air conditioning at a border crossing one time. That glass ceiling is not a good idea in hot climates

Unless you were stopped for half a day, that didn’t happen.

Re: Another way electric cars clean the air: study says brake dust reduced by 83%

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This reads like a list of right wing misinformation about EVs. Very troll adjacent. Most of what you said is false and relatively easy to look up.

Happy to hear your counterarguments.

It’s hard to refute things that didn’t happen.

Re: Another way electric cars clean the air: study says brake dust reduced by 83%

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Works for modern trains, too. I was watching one of the new electric CALTRAIN multiple units pull into a station. The motors did all the braking except for the last few feet of stopping. The friction brakes normally go on below 5 MPH, and are rather noisy for disk brakes. Emergency braking is friction brakes only.

Re: Another way electric cars clean the air: study says brake dust reduced by 83%

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It's the inverse. Bikes are a temporary 19-th century fix for the lack of easily available personal cars.

Cars are a 20th century fix for the lack of easily available, comfortable, and fast public transportation. It's a shame the USA got stuck in the mid-20th century on that front.

Yep. Transit was invented to help move workers from massive factories into living areas. Definitely a 20-th century thing.

And EVs are from the 21-st century. They are here to fix the utter inhumanity of dense cities, and eventually throw them into a dustbin of history.

Re: Another way electric cars clean the air: study says brake dust reduced by 83%

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Increased tire wear comes from the weight of the car and cornering. The tires need to do significantly more work in accelerating (the centrifugal kind) a car around corners at equal speed.

So obviously and logically speaking, an ICE car of equivalent weight should have the same tyre wear, and we know that's not true - there are some very heavy ICEs around which still manage to do 50k miles on a single set of tyres without any issue. EVs have instant torque from 0rpm and people use it and that's the main reason. Case in point - we have a Volkswagen e-Up, it barely weighs 1000kg, it's pretty much one of…

I wonder if the uneven torque from ICEs somehow decreases tire wear. Or if like vibrations shake sand loose in starts or something.

Re: Another way electric cars clean the air: study says brake dust reduced by 83%

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It's the inverse. Bikes are a temporary 19-th century fix for the lack of easily available personal cars.

Cars are a 20th century fix for the lack of easily available, comfortable, and fast public transportation. It's a shame the USA got stuck in the mid-20th century on that front.

I look forward to seeing public transportation that begins a few feet from my front door and arrives a few feet from my destination, without changing vehicles partway through, for arbitrary destinations.

Re: Another way electric cars clean the air: study says brake dust reduced by 83%

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I'm glad that they address the increased tyre wear pollution. I'm not entirely(!) convinced that EVs only have slightly increased wear as there seems to be plenty of reports of EVs going through tyres a lot quicker though estimates do seem to vary from about 30% to 50% more wear. (Also great that the report mentions the importance of walking/cycling for city transport)

Do you know where the increased tyre wear comes from? I run a PHEV, and if anything, my tyre wear has improved. This being said, I’ve noticed that many a “big EV” driver will take off from red lights like they’re driving a dragster.

I think most reasonable explanation is likely very much increased torque and rather poor traction control leading to common slipping. Which directly wears tires.

Hybrid vehicles generally have less torque so they have less this type of wear. Unless driven purposefully aggressively.

Clear solution would be to limit acceleration of vehicles and mandate traction control that limits this type of wear.

Re: Another way electric cars clean the air: study says brake dust reduced by 83%

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Anybody who ever driven an EV, would have told that the initial scare about brake dust was pure nonsense. EVs barely use frictional brakes, with regen performing most of the braking action. Frictional brakes only really come into play to slow down from around ~5 mph to a complete stop. And even that can be eliminated by essentially running the motor backwards, at low torque. This mode of braking is sometimes used on…

How does this generally work wrt brakes needing to be used occasionally to not rust shut? Even with an ICE car if you don't drive a lot, and drive in a fuel efficient way (e.g. coasting towards red lights) this can be an issue resulting in an expensive surprise when you need to replace disks long before they are worn out.

With my cars I just put them in neutral and brake down a hill once a month.

Never had any issue with rust.

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