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Another way electric cars clean the air: study says brake dust reduced by 83%

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Re: Another way electric cars clean the air: study says brake dust reduced by 83%

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> As it has become more and more untenable for anti-EV propagandists to deny the air quality benefits of EVs, a common refrain from them has become “but tailpipe emissions aren’t everything, what about brakes and tires, huh?!”

What is this website? Tell me about the story, don't argue with imaginary haters and trolls. The writing is so poor there.

Re: Another way electric cars clean the air: study says brake dust reduced by 83%

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Increased tire wear comes from the weight of the car and cornering. The tires need to do significantly more work in accelerating (the centrifugal kind) a car around corners at equal speed.

So obviously and logically speaking, an ICE car of equivalent weight should have the same tyre wear, and we know that's not true - there are some very heavy ICEs around which still manage to do 50k miles on a single set of tyres without any issue. EVs have instant torque from 0rpm and people use it and that's the main reason. Case in point - we have a Volkswagen e-Up, it barely weighs 1000kg, it's pretty much one of…

That should be easy to fix though with a bit of software.

Re: Another way electric cars clean the air: study says brake dust reduced by 83%

#23
Audi had an interesting proposition regarding making electric cars actually clean the air as opposed to just avoiding emissions:

https://www.audi-mediacenter.com/en/press-releases/audi-urba...

ICE cars already do that in a way, as they suck a significant amount of air through their intake filters (CADR = displacement x RPM).

Audi's filter was supposed to have been more fine-grained to catch brake dust and tire particles, but sufficient legislation never materialized, so the project was shelved.

Re: Another way electric cars clean the air: study says brake dust reduced by 83%

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I'm glad that they address the increased tyre wear pollution. I'm not entirely(!) convinced that EVs only have slightly increased wear as there seems to be plenty of reports of EVs going through tyres a lot quicker though estimates do seem to vary from about 30% to 50% more wear. (Also great that the report mentions the importance of walking/cycling for city transport)

Do you know where the increased tyre wear comes from? I run a PHEV, and if anything, my tyre wear has improved. This being said, I’ve noticed that many a “big EV” driver will take off from red lights like they’re driving a dragster.

It'll be the extra weight and greater torque.

Re: Another way electric cars clean the air: study says brake dust reduced by 83%

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I'm glad that they address the increased tyre wear pollution. I'm not entirely(!) convinced that EVs only have slightly increased wear as there seems to be plenty of reports of EVs going through tyres a lot quicker though estimates do seem to vary from about 30% to 50% more wear. (Also great that the report mentions the importance of walking/cycling for city transport)

Please stop it with the tyre nonsense.

The world is burning. Hundreds of millions people are going to die. We have a solution… and you won’t let us use it because it increases the rubber levels in people who lick tyres. As if that matters. So what if there are more rubber particles in their mouths? We can eliminate vehicle pollution!

Re: Another way electric cars clean the air: study says brake dust reduced by 83%

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> It turns out that BEVs (battery electric vehicles) reduce the amount of brake dust by 83%, according to a new analysis by EIT Urban Mobility (a body of the European Union) and Transport for London. The study looked primarily at London, Milan and Barcelona. > The primary reason for this is the use of regenerative braking, meaning that electric vehicles can slow down without rubbing friction brakes. Other vehicles th…

Cars clean the air because the AC filters capture particles

I clean the air because my lungs capture car particles.

Re: Another way electric cars clean the air: study says brake dust reduced by 83%

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To those wondering about tire wear: "Despite the slightly higher levels of tire wear from EVs, brake dust was found to be more unhealthy, as brake dust is much more likely to become airborne (>40%) than tire wear is (1-5%). So EVs create a lot less of the worse thing, and a little more of the less-bad thing."

Is tire wear worse for aquatic life than brake dust?

Re: Another way electric cars clean the air: study says brake dust reduced by 83%

#28

Brake dust is such nasty stuff, yet we place schools and homes right next to the rivers of pollution that we call highways. I'm hopeful that we will legalize the building of less car-dependent housing, but until then at least EVs will help.

Exactly. EVs are a band-aid, but the true cure is simply viable alternatives to driving.

Re: Another way electric cars clean the air: study says brake dust reduced by 83%

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post #28

Brake dust is such nasty stuff, yet we place schools and homes right next to the rivers of pollution that we call highways. I'm hopeful that we will legalize the building of less car-dependent housing, but until then at least EVs will help.

Exactly. EVs are a band-aid, but the true cure is simply viable alternatives to driving .

Yep. I’m finally in a place to bike to work and elsewhere and it’s remarkable how much I can get done without a car. But the infrastructure sucks and there’s so much room for improvement.

Re: Another way electric cars clean the air: study says brake dust reduced by 83%

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Increased tire wear comes from the weight of the car and cornering. The tires need to do significantly more work in accelerating (the centrifugal kind) a car around corners at equal speed.

So obviously and logically speaking, an ICE car of equivalent weight should have the same tyre wear, and we know that's not true - there are some very heavy ICEs around which still manage to do 50k miles on a single set of tyres without any issue. EVs have instant torque from 0rpm and people use it and that's the main reason. Case in point - we have a Volkswagen e-Up, it barely weighs 1000kg, it's pretty much one of…

I agree there are effects of increased linear acceleration, however I disagree with you because of:

On many roads you accelerate and brake less often than you go around corners.

These two things are equivalent on tire wear given the forces involved:

1 corner at 50kmh with 50m radius.

Accelerating linearly at 0.39g (7 second 0-100kmh) to 77kmh from 0.

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