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Dutch Parliament: Time to ditch US tech for homegrown options

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Re: Dutch Parliament: Time to ditch US tech for homegrown options

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You may not agree with the sentiment, but the quote isn't anti-technology. It doesn't say that "escaping Earth" is an inherently bad thing, it simply highlights the perils of outsourcing digital infrastructure to certain billionaires who wish to do so. Which is a valid concern.

The implication is that "building space rockets to escape Earth" is bad.

Ok but why is that bad here? Because they are not interested in serving the tech needs of the Dutch, and have other interests.

That's not an anti-tech stance, quite the opposite!

Re: Dutch Parliament: Time to ditch US tech for homegrown options

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post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You may not agree with the sentiment, but the quote isn't anti-technology. It doesn't say that "escaping Earth" is an inherently bad thing, it simply highlights the perils of outsourcing digital infrastructure to certain billionaires who wish to do so. Which is a valid concern.

The implication is that "building space rockets to escape Earth" is bad.

No.

The implication is that it should not be an oligarchy but a democracy that inhabits other planets - which is indeed a valid stance.

The issue is not going to space. The issue is supporting a system where a single entity controls it, supporting a dictatorship.

Which is funny, because the US had this stance. At least under WW2 and the cold war.

Who know what happened, the US population allowed corporate greed to take over - what a shame.

Re: Dutch Parliament: Time to ditch US tech for homegrown options

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While I don't like the politics giving rise to this, de-globalization combined with the great social media unbundling and other trends means we might finally see decentralization be a major trend (outside of the cryptocurrency ghetto). Overall I think this is a good thing. It could mean the end of the monolithic closed SaaS era, which is the absolute worst possible model for software if you care about privacy or any…

I would guess that for the most part we won’t have “true” decentralization, but given the EU has mandated interoperability between big providers like Apple and Facebook I can imagine that we will eventually have major services that are EU centric (either in certain markets or most/all of the EU), and there will be ways for people to use their own setup as well (basically multi polar distribution, plus the ability for…

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Re: Dutch Parliament: Time to ditch US tech for homegrown options

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Called it, again . Data sovereignty is the true trend of the next decade. Not Quantum, not AI, but the new multi-pole world order divesting from Americentric technologies and back into the sort of locally-grown economies that children of the Cold War would be familiar with. Local vendors serving local needs with a focus on regional, not global, scale and service. Us Cassandra types have been screaming for years that…

While I don't like the politics giving rise to this, de-globalization combined with the great social media unbundling and other trends means we might finally see decentralization be a major trend (outside of the cryptocurrency ghetto). Overall I think this is a good thing. It could mean the end of the monolithic closed SaaS era, which is the absolute worst possible model for software if you care about privacy or any…

I personally dread the world in which physical supply chains get decentralized. A multi-polar world is a tinderbox.

Re: Dutch Parliament: Time to ditch US tech for homegrown options

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> Dutch MP Barbara Kathmann, author of four of the motions, told The Register. "If we continue outsourcing all of our digital infrastructure to billionaires that would rather escape Earth by building space rockets, there will be no Dutch expertise left." This kind of casual anti-technology attitude among European politicians is part of the reason we are in this mess.

Please lets just call things what they are.

This is not "anti-technology"-- it is just a potshot at Elon Musk.

You could also accuse it of mixing up issues of infrastructure independence, wealth inequality and increasing plutocratic tendencies. All of those do deserve a nuanced discussion (instead of a single catchphrase).

But labeling this as as "anti-technology" is simply incorrect, and we need to do better than that.

Re: Dutch Parliament: Time to ditch US tech for homegrown options

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TBH, while I feel like this is the way, I’m noticing more and more politicians using this as a way to simply gather more votes with a "cause US bad" angle.

Companies are eager to get your money, so they'll try to get an "EU made" label and use it as marketing as hard as they can, even if 90% of their operation happens outside the EU.

And the way they talk, it seems like decoupling from the US is something trivial done overnight. No, it is not, it’s a kind of a slow process in some areas, and pragmatic decisions must be made along the way.

Re: Dutch Parliament: Time to ditch US tech for homegrown options

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post #60

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Also yes, because it's easier to start in a jurisdiction with sane laws and bearable tax burden, none of which is available in the EU. EU is indeed drowning in mind boggling bureaucracy. Source: am a startup in the EU.

If it was merely about taxes and regulations then nobody would want to choose California over almost any other state for their startup.

I'm not sure about that.

Say, at-will employment exists in California and that's just one simple example off the top of my head.

In Germany, an employee is near impossible to fire.

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