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The FAA’s Hiring Scandal

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Re: The FAA’s Hiring Scandal

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Post by selimthegrim »

rayiner wrote: post #55
pjc50 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> that DEI was being implemented in the laziest and stupidest possible ways This is .. certainly something that might be happening, but it's also something that a lot of people are lying about. It's become increasingly difficult to find out what actually happened once it's been filtered through media, social media, activists, and algorithmic propaganda. What happens if every single instance of "DEI overreach" is over…

It’s absolutely not being over reported. In the last four years, we have had the Supreme Court smack down Harvard for blatantly discriminating against whites and Asians (granting admission to black and Hispanic applicants with similar academic credentials at 3-10x the rate). A federal court smacked down Biden for racially discriminating in granting SBA loans. Another federal court smacked down NASDAQ for diversity qu…

In the UK Black was an umbrella term that included South Asians. In the US pre 1965 era Bengalis especially tended to integrate into the black community (cf. Vivek Bald’s book). My Punjabi great grandfather married a light skinned mixed-race woman in the 1920s.

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Post by michaelteter »

scott_w wrote: post #6

This is a truly excellent article and shines a light on a real problem and how it affects people in a real way. It’s an example of something that I’d seen rumblings of in left leaning media: that DEI was being implemented in the laziest and stupidest possible ways (though the ire was mostly directed at marketing efforts by corporations). A story of a smaller, not that harmful, example of this laziness and stupidity:…

> the basic skill of reading her work history seemed missing before reaching out

70% of the many recruiter messages I receive are like this. This began 20 years ago and has gotten increasingly worse.

It has nothing to do with your topic.

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Post by gedy »

p3rls wrote: post #50
bamboozled wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump was also likely referring to the female pilot of the military helicopter. His new head of the military doesn't think women should be in active duty roles, so this would make sense.

Are you thinking of frontline roles? No active duty women would be absurd, but I am not familiar with this Hegseth or whatever his name is I suppose it's possible

Hegseth has stated on record that he doesn't think women should be in physical, in-person combat roles like infantry. He has stated he has no problems with women pilots, etc. so the GP is exaggerating.

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Post by fortran77 »

wand3r wrote: post #3

> I know, I know. The evidence is unambiguous that the bar was lowered, deliberately, over many years and with direct knowledge. The evidence is unambiguous that a cheating scandal occurred. The whole thing is as explosive as any I’ve seen, and it touches on a lot of long-running frustrations. This is likely the most common complaint about DEI, it provides grounds for race based discrimination and lowers the bar. I a…

I’m in two of those groups and I feel like they ignore me and take me for granted.

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Post by gedy »

spectraldrift wrote: post #5

The article presents a dramatic narrative that implies the FAA deliberately lowered its hiring standards by replacing the traditional system with a biographical questionnaire. It’s clear from the account that many qualified CTI graduates (note: CTI schools are third parties) were unfairly filtered out from the applicant pool, and there’s documented evidence of a cheating scandal that casts further doubt on the proces…

> This isn’t a straightforward case of DEI lowering standards; it’s about how changing the initial screening affected a well-established pathway

It seems like you are mincing words, similar to my previous company that wanted to hire more women. They started attending the women-only hiring convention and we could only interview from those candidates (HR filtered out the rest). So while we hired the best candidates we could, on average they weren't that great, they just passed a minimum bar.

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Post by K0balt »

Working effectively in ATC without burnout hanging over your head constantly favours a certain amount of neurodivergence. A certain kind of delight in detail, delight in predictable progression of system. The overload needs to invigorate , not fatigue.

This doesn’t make ATC professionals better people. It doesn’t make them smarter. It doesn’t make them superhuman. It makes them better at a certain specific kind of work, and the same traits probably make them worse at many others.

We need to stop treating neurodiversity as if it’s a scale from good to bad. It’s just a kind of diversity.

Just like physical diversity. Strong, big frames make a person better suited to certain kinds of work. Lithe, diminutive builds make great aircraft mechanics. Thin, tall builds favour other work, short and stocky morphology makes other jobs more comfortable and easier.

Why should neurodiversity be any different? People are good at different things. Genetics plays a huge role in morphological and neurological development. is there really any difference, or is neurodiversity just hidden morphological diversity?

Different is not a value judgement.

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Post by scott_w »

michaelteter wrote: post #63
scott_w wrote: post #6

This is a truly excellent article and shines a light on a real problem and how it affects people in a real way. It’s an example of something that I’d seen rumblings of in left leaning media: that DEI was being implemented in the laziest and stupidest possible ways (though the ire was mostly directed at marketing efforts by corporations). A story of a smaller, not that harmful, example of this laziness and stupidity:…

> the basic skill of reading her work history seemed missing before reaching out 70% of the many recruiter messages I receive are like this. This began 20 years ago and has gotten increasingly worse. It has nothing to do with your topic.

>> the laziest and stupidest possible ways

> 70% of the many recruiter messages I receive are like this.

You're not disputing my core point.

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Post by justonceokay »

sschueller wrote: post #62

I don't have a problem with hiring qualified people instead of meeting quotas but the fact that the ones pushing this are them selves the most unqualified people is just beyond me.

That’s because it isn’t actually about qualification. It’s actually about a lack of accountability. Trump wants everyone to be able to hire their friends just like he does, optics be damned. I think a lot of people actually agree with this at a visceral level.

Left leaning people are more concerned with power controlled by nepotism and “unfair” connections. To me that is a kind of sour grapes view fueled by too many participation trophies.

A government full of cronies sucks but we can at least hope to get our own cronies in at some point. A meritocratic/technocratic government sounds like a dystopian novel.

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