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GenAI Art Is the Least Imaginative Use of AI Imaginable

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Re: GenAI Art Is the Least Imaginative Use of AI Imaginable

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Of all the things I do with AI, art is probably the one I do the most. When you create written content on the internet, "the algorithm" rewards you more if you add art to it. I am not an artist, but I can write good. So when I'm done writing, I pop over to my AI image generator, describe a few images I want, pop them into the post, and away I go! And then boom, greater engagement. As an added bonus, I don't have to w…

What you've described is the exact mechanism through which generative AI will actually kill search on the open web.

It's less likely that search will be threatened by the alternative of Q&A with a chatbot as much as by slop overrunning valuable content. More and more of the discoverable content will be machine-generated filler produced for exactly the reason you describe, it's rewarded by rankings.

People won't even bother writing on their own, let alone producing images to go with the writing. It'll be like the herculean task of just finding a damn recipe online without reading someone's life story first, but 1000x as bad. It's already here I guess. We've seen the baby peacocks in the coalmine.

Re: GenAI Art Is the Least Imaginative Use of AI Imaginable

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It will take a long time, but I think the ever growing usage of GenAI tools will ultimately make people desire human created works even more.

That said, there's a common thread in a lot of writing similar to this piece. Basically, it's some form of, "GenAI isn't art. GenAI creations lack a human element present in the creation process. GenAI creations cheapen the creative process in general due to the ease at which they can pop out new things."

I'm mixed on this. This is something we've always had to deal with as a species. This greatly simplies a lot of human history here, but consider:

- Our (long, long ago) ancestors had to paint on walls with their fingers. They had to make music by banging sticks together

- Paint brushes were invented. Musical instruments were invented. These things make it easier and quicker for people to _create_

- Mechanical machines made it easier to make garments and print books

- Digital machines made it even easier to write stories, or make music, or play music

The word processor alone made it ridiculously easy for highly evolved apes to start pounding on keyboards and outputting works of various lengths and quality.

Prior to the GenAI craze, there were music creation tools that contained multi-gigabyte sample packs. You could throw together random samples and make good sounding songs.

Photoshop and Illustrator made it exceedingly easy for artists to flex their creative muscles and get their ideas out there.

At the end of the day, these are all tools. And I think GenAI will ultimately be used in a similar way. It's a tool. Can it be used in a bad way? Sure. Just like PhotoShop. Just like Word.

Regarding what is and isn't art -- I don't think it's up to us to decide. And does it matter? History is full of ridiculous examples of things that might or might not be art.[0][1] Humans don't necessarily need to be involved in the creation process either.[2]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fountain_(Duchamp)

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comedian_(artwork)

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Brassau

Re: GenAI Art Is the Least Imaginative Use of AI Imaginable

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I don't disagree at all, the process of human storytelling is key to art. But at the same time I'm still going to use genAI 99% of the time when I just want a pretty picture, when I'm in the mood for doing it myself I will, but most of the time I probably won't be.

Re: GenAI Art Is the Least Imaginative Use of AI Imaginable

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I would really like an objective explanation of why this attitude "that the whole point of art is the process of making it" is anything but pretentiousness in it's purest form.

Surely the actual artifact itself has some value? And even if one supposes that a key part of the value is self-exploration (which I disagree with generally because that presupposes an excessive level of self-importance), then being able to iterate more easily by leveraging AI art can be a huge advantage for many artists.

This is not to say that actual fundamental skills like drawing ability etc. aren't valuable. And it will be hard to develop them if you rely entirely on AI, especially while learning. But I don't see how it is logically necessary at all to completely exclude AI.

To me, this is a rationalization for disliking AI because it displaces humans to some degree or another. I think that is a fair reaction, but the rationale is nonsense.

I predict that the number of people who start to resent AI will increase dramatically over the coming few decades. Especially if we can't improve the structure of society to be less centered around exploiting labor.

Re: GenAI Art Is the Least Imaginative Use of AI Imaginable

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post #62

It will take a long time, but I think the ever growing usage of GenAI tools will ultimately make people desire human created works even more. That said, there's a common thread in a lot of writing similar to this piece. Basically, it's some form of, "GenAI isn't art. GenAI creations lack a human element present in the creation process. GenAI creations cheapen the creative process in general due to the ease at which t…

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Re: GenAI Art Is the Least Imaginative Use of AI Imaginable

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you consider the images you create to be art?

Of course. The writing I create is art too. There is still creativity involved: I still have to come up with the prompt for the AI.

Edit: Retracting my original statement.

Re: GenAI Art Is the Least Imaginative Use of AI Imaginable

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post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course. The writing I create is art too. There is still creativity involved: I still have to come up with the prompt for the AI.

Edit: Retracting my original statement.

I never said anything about the degree. Of course my art is not as valuable as someone who has spent a lifetime perfecting their craft. But both are still art.

Re: GenAI Art Is the Least Imaginative Use of AI Imaginable

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps that was a bad example since it's too much of a person-by-person thing (for myself I can definitely say I get more done if I don't have to spend hours on chores), but the fact that we can as a society actually do anything at all beyond just surviving is down to tractors and combine harvesters, so 98% of us don't have to work in food production anymore. The base level of complete chore automation that we've ap…

My chemical engineer friends like to point out that the Haber-Bosch process has doubled global food production, or something like that. In the same “industrial agriculture” category as tractors and combines.

Yes indeed, it's the main source of nitrogen for fertilizer. Otherwise we'd be back to leaving a third of the fields empty to regenerate with clover or similar plants that deposit nitrogen, plus having lower yields in general.

Re: GenAI Art Is the Least Imaginative Use of AI Imaginable

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post #42

GenAI is not capable of making art. Self expression is not only inherent in art, it’s essential. What AI does is make pretty pictures, but nothing more. It’s not a tool for making art because it removes the means for artistic expression. It’s possible for someone to make art from GenAI outputs, but that requires taking artistic liberties post generation.

It's not the AI that makes the art, but the person who tells the AI what to do. A painter friend of mine has gotten into generative AI lately, and the sometimes-pretty, sometimes-intimidating pictures she comes up with sure look like an artistic expression to me. She has a vision of something she wants to see, and she uses tools to bring that vision into reality, just like she does with paint; the new tools just give her new options.
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