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How far can you get in 40 minutes from each subway station in NYC?

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Re: How far can you get in 40 minutes from each subway station in NYC?

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post #13

Does it also work at 3am?

It does. New York's system is one of only a handful in the world that operates all (or nearly all) lines 24/7.

The level of redundancy in the NYC subway is marvelous. In most of the densest areas, you have 4-track lines and often other lines within a mile. It makes it possible to do maintenance while still offering 24/7 service.

Re: How far can you get in 40 minutes from each subway station in NYC?

#62

Super cool! Its kinda crazy how out of the loop JFK airport is

Shockingly easy to get to though. LIRR to Jamaica, then AirTrain. Usually faster than a car, and more predictable than taking the A (which you have to be careful to choose the right one).

Re: How far can you get in 40 minutes from each subway station in NYC?

#64

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It would make much more sense for it to be unified with the MTA subway, with more connectivity. My dream would be a single seat ride from Newark Airport to Atlantic Terminal in Brooklyn, via Newark Penn Station and World Trade Center. There was also once a proposal to have the 7 train go out to Seacaucus Junction, which would be huge for accessing the East Side for NJers.

I wonder if the real limit is tunnels. Connectivity doesn't fix the issue of physical limits on tunnel capacity and the massive cost of new tunnels.

If you're talking about underwater, I don't think that's the problem compared to running track through populated areas, whether that's through tunnels, cut-and-cover, at-grade or viaduct.

Re: How far can you get in 40 minutes from each subway station in NYC?

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Which is why people prefer personal cars whenever possible. Mass transit has to operate at 5 minute intervals (so that you are waiting at most 10 to 15 minutes in the event of a missed connection). If it isn’t that frequent, then I am going to opt for a personal car every chance I can. Using only the subway in Manhattan/some parts of Brooklyn is convenient, but as you stray further, it starts getting tedious.

Plenty of metros run at 5 minute frequencies or less. Some _trams_ do, at peak times.

The highest frequency subway lines do 3 mins at peak, which is amazing.

Re: How far can you get in 40 minutes from each subway station in NYC?

#67
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it seems to assume changing trains is instantaneous and trains are waiting for you.

Which is why people prefer personal cars whenever possible. Mass transit has to operate at 5 minute intervals (so that you are waiting at most 10 to 15 minutes in the event of a missed connection). If it isn’t that frequent, then I am going to opt for a personal car every chance I can. Using only the subway in Manhattan/some parts of Brooklyn is convenient, but as you stray further, it starts getting tedious.

In a car, you still need to park, which in NYC might take 20 mins and still leave you blocks from your destination. The other difference is what you can do with your travel time. While driving, you're limited to passive activities. Cabs and ride share solve this, for a price.

But people do love car travel, regardless of the problems. I have a buddy who would nearly always opt for Uber, even at times when traffic made it slower than the subway.

Re: How far can you get in 40 minutes from each subway station in NYC?

#68
post #11

I'm of the opinion that every 500k+ city should have a subway line. I grew up in a city with one (just one for the majority of my 20 years there) and if there's one thing I miss from that place it's the ability to move at an average speed of 35km/h at any time the trains were operating, especially at 2am on a Friday night after a couple of beers with the guys. The other thing I noticed when I was visiting my family t…

I'm of the opinion that it depends on density. You could build a subway line in some US cities of 1M and nobody would ride it; you could build a subway line in a city of 50k and everyone would ride it. It depends on whether there is density to support walking directly to many things (businesses, residences, and other transit lines) or not.

Density yes, but more importantly 1) speed vs traveling by car, 2) starting and stopping in places people want to travel between, 3) safety, 4) real estate prices/regulation.

Density goes to number 1 (more traffic = better reason to use the subway) and 2 (more likely to be able to serve people’s desired trip)

Re: How far can you get in 40 minutes from each subway station in NYC?

#69
post #11

I'm of the opinion that every 500k+ city should have a subway line. I grew up in a city with one (just one for the majority of my 20 years there) and if there's one thing I miss from that place it's the ability to move at an average speed of 35km/h at any time the trains were operating, especially at 2am on a Friday night after a couple of beers with the guys. The other thing I noticed when I was visiting my family t…

I'm of the opinion that it depends on density. You could build a subway line in some US cities of 1M and nobody would ride it; you could build a subway line in a city of 50k and everyone would ride it. It depends on whether there is density to support walking directly to many things (businesses, residences, and other transit lines) or not.

Also the shape of density.

A small city in a straight line along the coast is going to get a lot more mileage out of a single line than something spread out across a plain.

Re: How far can you get in 40 minutes from each subway station in NYC?

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The PATH train does exactly that.

It would make much more sense for it to be unified with the MTA subway, with more connectivity. My dream would be a single seat ride from Newark Airport to Atlantic Terminal in Brooklyn, via Newark Penn Station and World Trade Center. There was also once a proposal to have the 7 train go out to Seacaucus Junction, which would be huge for accessing the East Side for NJers.

It blows my mind there isn’t the equivalent of the Heathrow express in nyc (even if it was just a regular express train subway)
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