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BioTerrorism Will Save Your Life with the 4 Thieves Vinegar Collective [video]

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A lot of people miss the fact that this is more art project than practical solution. It’s meant to make a statement, but they have cherry-picked some extremely simple drugs to synthesize to make their point. I have some online friends who met through a forum for their rare condition. The forum they’re in had a splinter group dedicated to getting companies in China to synthesize experimental drugs for them that they c…

Contacts for reliable contract synthesis labs in China are kind of a closely held secret.

Before the 2017 “general ban” on psychoactive substances in the UK there was a thriving industry where “entrepreneurs” with the contacts for such labs would hire chemists to find them a new candidate analogue/derivative of say, a stimulant or hallucinogen or whatever, knock together a synthesis route, see if it works, and then have it manufactured in bulk for resale to head shops.

A small number of people got incredibly rich off this, some got busted when their product got banned and they didn’t dump the stock fast enough, but most made fucking phenomenal amounts of money.

The same “trade” carries on in some other European countries to this day, with “new” LSD derivatives cropping up every few months when one is invariably banned.

I vaguely recall there was even a few articles about this whole thing back in the day by some journalists, maybe at Vice or something? They had an interview with one of the chemists.

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The point is to make it look cool and inspire people to try to create new modes of production, because that's likely to be important in the future. It's not to replicate 'big pharma' capitalist production.

It's not to replicate 'big pharma' capitalist production.

It's not? Elsevier finally relented when universities could finally cancel their subscriptions because librarians could direct people to Sci-Hub.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is the 4thieves content specifically wrong? I would rather take some risk with some autonomy than be subject to dealing with the sort of people I have encountered in the drugs and illness business, like said author. hacking is a way to provide dignity to people in how they relate to systems. be warey of the ones who object to that.

Are you going to dispose of your waste responsibily, or are you going to just dismiss local regulations as "infringements of your freedom" and dump it down the drain? Are you going to make sure your manufacturing processes don't create problems for your neighbors, or are you just going to say "screw them, it's my house" and be on your merry way?

Funnily, responsible waste management has been an extremely well covered topic in a lot of the DIY science/chemistry forums over the years.

It’s even come up regularly on YouTube channels like NileRed/NileBlue - he has a couple of videos on processing wastes/cleanup work done after a reaction.

Re: BioTerrorism Will Save Your Life with the 4 Thieves Vinegar Collective [video]

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A lot of people miss the fact that this is more art project than practical solution. It’s meant to make a statement, but they have cherry-picked some extremely simple drugs to synthesize to make their point. I have some online friends who met through a forum for their rare condition. The forum they’re in had a splinter group dedicated to getting companies in China to synthesize experimental drugs for them that they c…

> they have cherry-picked some extremely simple drugs to synthesize to make their point

It can't do everything, but those cherry-picked examples are still pretty dramatic. Saving $80k to cure your Hep.C is pretty practical. Getting an abortion while living under increasingly emboldened christofascists is pretty practical. Managing your own transgender HRT is pretty practical. Lets not perfect be the enemy of good, it's a pretty solid start.

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I’ve procured substantial quantities of gray market (not illegal yet) medication ‘for research purposes’ and can probably safely say that it has indeed saved my life. While the medication was purchased the protocol was of my own design. Like many people with chronic conditions (LongCovid/Chronic Fatigue) I’ve long given up on doctors and only use them when I have to get a prescription. A lot of what I used are the hu…

I have a loved one who is struggling with drug shortages. Unfortunately it's a schedule 2 drug, so I'm sure attempting to manufacture my own would be very illegal. I wouldn't be surprised if we're in a transition period where the tech is becoming accessible, but isn't yet heavily regulated. Both the DEA and pharmaceutical companies have an interest in stopping people from making their own drugs at home.

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I’ve procured substantial quantities of gray market (not illegal yet) medication ‘for research purposes’ and can probably safely say that it has indeed saved my life. While the medication was purchased the protocol was of my own design. Like many people with chronic conditions (LongCovid/Chronic Fatigue) I’ve long given up on doctors and only use them when I have to get a prescription. A lot of what I used are the hu…

Could you please share more details on any Long Covid protocols you feel have been helpful?

Modafinil 100mg morning and Amitriptyline 75mg at night helps with dysautonomia, though modafinil can exacerbate gut issues. Using weaker ligands helps with working with the natural cycles of the body instead of against it. Low Dose Naltrexone. A fairly high dose of TUDCA and DIM. DIM (3,3'-Diindolylmethane) is a relatively non-toxic selective AhR modulator. Ipamorelin + ModGRF. VIP peptide. A fairly low dose Semaglutide of 0.5mg after a year on it where I started at 0.05mg - not sure if the dose has plateaued, we will see. Elimination of sugar from diet. Resistance exercise and no aerobic exercise due to PEM. I have a strong genetic predisposition (hEDS) so I was impacted by Long Covid worse than most.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If someone claims that X is "always"(!) the case, then giving just one example where X is not the case counts as a refutation. The statement that the GP quoted is just obviously false and there is nothing "bad faith" about pointing that out.

There’s not even much argument for it being true in most cases. Artisan made tools compared to high end tools from a factory are more like a mechanical watch compared to an electronic one. It might be a cool mechanism and a more unique statement piece than an Apple Watch, but it sure won’t keep better time.

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Could you please share more details on any Long Covid protocols you feel have been helpful?

Modafinil 100mg morning and Amitriptyline 75mg at night helps with dysautonomia, though modafinil can exacerbate gut issues. Using weaker ligands helps with working with the natural cycles of the body instead of against it. Low Dose Naltrexone. A fairly high dose of TUDCA and DIM. DIM (3,3'-Diindolylmethane) is a relatively non-toxic selective AhR modulator. Ipamorelin + ModGRF. VIP peptide. A fairly low dose Semaglu…

Thank you so much. I've been impacted similarly. If I have some luck I will let you know.

(I put my email in my bio, I might have some useful stuff too)

:)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you please share more details on any Long Covid protocols you feel have been helpful?

Modafinil 100mg morning and Amitriptyline 75mg at night helps with dysautonomia, though modafinil can exacerbate gut issues. Using weaker ligands helps with working with the natural cycles of the body instead of against it. Low Dose Naltrexone. A fairly high dose of TUDCA and DIM. DIM (3,3'-Diindolylmethane) is a relatively non-toxic selective AhR modulator. Ipamorelin + ModGRF. VIP peptide. A fairly low dose Semaglu…

What is the mechanism of Naltrexone in reducing fatigue? It seems like fatigue and sleepiness is a common side effect.

I had really high hopes for modafinil in treating my long-life fatigue issues as well as helping with my severe ADHD since I can't tolerate or access traditional stimulant medication for it rignt now. It was amazing for a week or so but quickly stopped having an effect unless I took 400mg a day, and the side effects of that dose were also not tolerable for me.

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